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Re: [atheists-36] Re: 2012 election kickoff in Winter Park

From: Ronnie H.
Sent on: Thursday, July 12, 2012 9:31 PM
I agree with Norma that rejection of patriarchal religion has ramifications that could lead to a wholesale shift of worldview, toward a grasp of our human place in the scheme of things that will be less anthropocentric, less modeled upon abstract, linear, and hierarchical thought, more integrative of the sciences, including biological science and a kind of existential anthropology that sees us as the creators of our own social constructs, including that of God. I also understand why people don't want multiple postings of messages that are likely to be in their inbox already, and that are less on the topic of the list's central emphasis. I was very fortunate not to have had religion forced down my throat, as may have been done to some others in this group, so I apologize for not always being sensitive enough to their concerns.

On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 3:32 PM, Norma Jeane Young <[address removed]> wrote:
Hello back, Steve,
(I forwarded the announcement from MoveOn just now, re:  anti-Romney event in Orlando TOMORROW before I saw your email--because I saw MoveOn's "Alert" lst thing when I came on computer today--& felt "moved" to respond in a spontaneously-timely way.)
Thank you for the feedback & for expressing your preference.  I see that you tend to take the more narrow interpretation of the definitions of these words (Freethinker, Atheist, Agnostic, Humanist, etc.) as to what is appropriate to post to the OFH site.  I take the broader, more Wholistic/holistic approach; although I DO see the rationale for there needing to be focus & limitation of topic; for ex., to cite an extreme example (patronizing satire not intended) of what would be not appropriate --would be forwarding info. on a sale at a local store of organic fertilizer, even though the less we poison ourselves & the planet -- the more that people use organic, the better off the planet is & the better off we humans are. 
I forwarded a few days ago the posting about the Navy's plans to deafen or kill thousands of whales & dolphins.  This generated quite a bit of response from a number of members that brought up issues about humans' attitude about their "place" in the world & the values they hold as to "Dominion Over"--rather than Living in Harmony WITH--other animals on the planet.  Environmental, political, feminist, etc. issues are all interrelated because they Originate from Humans' philosophical attitudes/values which at the core are predominantly religiously based (as we saw in the Zeitgeist presentation Sunday).
When deciding, instance by instance whether to post or not, I weigh the content, import & relevance to what I understand Humanism & all the other related words you have named is about--& whether the contribution I have to offer is enhancing of the goals of these philosophical schools of thought.  I post positive, heartwarming forwards to "uplift ourselves" as well, in addition to material I originate myself--because I Care Deeply about the Advancement of Human Civilization & the Fulfillment of Each Individual's Freedom to Pursue & Achieve their Potentials. . . and sometimes in the midst of all the cerebral, issue-oriented "Stuff," we need to remember to "Stop & Smell the Roses" -- Celebrate the Beauty of what we Have and to lighten up a bit . . . otherwise we risk burnout.  (I have "been there" before & realize the importance of guarding against it again.)  It takes a lot of energy to "fight the negative."  It's also important to "Promote the Positive" . . . because that reminds us of what we're "fighting For."  To Win our Human Freedom & Right to Self, Other & Planetary Actualization, it requires some balance in these two approaches.  It also renews us to "Fight (and Love--for Protest is also a form of Love) another day."   
Relating the above back to Sunday's Zeitgeist presentation, it is strikingly obvious to me that the Piscean Age/Era we have been in for the last several thousand(?) years has been focused on mechanistic, NON-Wholistic/holistic attitudes toward ourselves & our environment--which attitudes have been fostered & promoted by the controlling religions that are still with us.  The religions don't want us to "look at the Whole."  They want to keep us split into separate parts of our selves--split between our minds & our bodies/emotions--focusing on an imaginary, mentally-induced "Hereafter," which they manipulate us with fear, guilt & shame to have us believe in & live our lives according to "That Script" --rather than having Wholeness & Happiness in the Here and Now.  
(I appreciate your points, Steve and thank you for expressing them.  I would be interested to hear from other members as to the scope they feel is appropriate to be included in the definition of Humanist-related material.)

From: Steve S. <[address removed]>
To: [address removed]
Sent: Thursday, July 12,[masked]:32 AM
Subject: [atheists-36] Re: 2012 election kickoff in Winter Park

Hello Norma,

Though I intend to vote for the most liberal candidates in November,
I really would rather read about Freethinker, Atheist, Agnostic,
Humanist, Skeptic and basically NON-RELIGIOUS stuff on this
email list.

I'm only one voice here, but my vote would be for you to please
NOT copy the stuff you get from MoveOn, and the Democratic
Party and Planned Parenthood and all the other liberal organizations
unless it has a main NON-RELIGIOUS theme. If I want other
liberal information, I can get it from them directly, or through
other Meetup groups that have that focus.

Thanks, Steve


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