Dan's Response: Fw: I Don’t Believe in a God – What Should I Call Myself?

From: Norma Jeane Y.
Sent on: Friday, October 12, 2012 5:35 AM
Wow!  Dan,  That's some profound stuff you wrote in the "Away Point" blogger's text.  I could barely understand it.  I hadn't heard of "TOE" before. An all-inclusive theory--that would be "Something."  The religionists call that God.  But "they" don't say it's a "theory."  "They" say it's an Absolute.  That's where Science & Religion part company.  Religion says it's Absolute (Dogma)--& Science says it's a theory. . . except though in the case of evolution . . . "I'm 'confused.'"  I thought it was still called the "Theory of Evolution" although scientist-type people--& many people in the OFH group talk about it as "fact."
-Norma

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O.K., I "got into it" a little bit.  Scroll down to see my thoughts.  I'm off now to a quick dinner and then back to volumes of e-mail.  --Dan  : - ) 



 
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I know, Dan.  I realized that too.  I was going to NOT forward it to anyone; however so much of what he said was original & profound & I decided to overlook his less-than-perfect English; I thought anyone genuinely interested in the subject would see his name & think what I did.  The subject matter, I felt was important enough -- & his ideas sincere & innovative--that I wanted to give his voice "more exposure."  I have posted some things on this website in the past about "labels" -- & I've wrestled with that question too.  Right now, Freethinker/Agnostic works best for me.  I like the word "free" & Agnostic is a pretty comprehensive umbrella -- that appeals to my desire to be non-dogmatic--since I came from such a dogmatic religion--Seventh-day Adventist.

--Norma



From: Dan <[address removed]>
To: [address removed]
Sent: Wednesday, October 10,[masked]:48 PM
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I can't "get into" this one.  Nobuo Ishiwata is obviously not writing in his native tongue.  --Dan


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Nobuo Ishiwata commented: "The almost religion claims gods created the world (the universe) and the human. Then naturally you could have next question. “Who created God (gods)?” Some answer might be: god of gods, God anyway has existed and so on. However, there’s nothing expl"
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Note: Este articulo es disponible en español aquí. Catholic, Born-Again, Reformed, Jew, Muslim, Shiite, Sunni, Hindu, Sikh, Buddhist . . . .  Religions give people labels. The downside can be tribalism, an assumption that insiders are better than outsiders, that they merit more compassion, integrity and generosity or even that violence toward “infidels” is acceptable. [...]
The almost religion claims gods created the world (the universe) and the human. Then naturally you could have next question. “Who created God (gods)?” Some answer might be: god of gods, God anyway has existed and so on. However, there’s nothing explanations to convince me so far. First, I have to understand how we recognize ourselves (our existence) because who recognizes such gods are exactly we – the human. You might know Descartes’ statement: “Codito ergo sum (I think, therefore I am). So we have ability to recognize not only ourselves but others, animals, plants, the world, the universe and even gods. Our brains can recognize such things by using the senses. But these human’s ‘sensors’ maybe limited to recognize our ‘true world’, in fact, our eyes can’t see infrared and our ears can’t catch ultrasonic wave. This means that we cannot verify aspects of our ‘true world (everything)’ due to a lack of suitable human’s ‘sensor’ You can feel existence of your solid body and everything through only your perceptions like a sight, hearing, taste, smell, touch, balance, pain, time and others. And eventually, your consciousness recognizes them. That is to say everything’s existence – including gods – is depending on your consciousness i.e. human’s consciousness. Therefore I can say that the world and everything ware created by the human consciousness, there were not created by the gods as the religions claim.Although I have often conjectured on the possibility of a universal consciousness consisting of a "networked" amalgam of all intelligences'  everywhere (kind of like the Star War's "The Force") the probability as I understand it, remains that a tree really does fall even if no intelligence observes it.  In a certain sense "nothing" may be "something," from which all existence came/is.  In this case we observe the universe as best we can but it still exists without being observed.  That's counter to Quantum physics and I know work is being done to try to unify Quantum physics (micro) and Relativity physics (macro) into a TOE (Theory of Everything).  So far, under Relativity, I believe, things happen even if not observed.  I guess we'll just have to wait and (maybe) see.The gods are just illusion (delusion) that human’s brains create. Besides, I can point out that heaven, hell, devils and angels are delusions also. In fact, I have to say ‘crowded human’s consciousness or ‘crowded consciousness of all organisms with intelligence’ because the world and everything’s existence aren’t composed of individual consciousness. Multi-consciousness influences each other to realize our real world. If there would be someone has a special sense that the human doesn’t have, could see such ‘true world’ above and if he observe, our real world would be like a Virtual Reality. However, maybe I should quote some scientific evidence or theory about my argument above to convince you. Actually there’s information, which reveals on the crowded human’s consciousness – ‘Network of the soul’ on ‘life after death’ of the human. If you have interest about that information, you might get it, searching the internet. Moreover you might need to think of the quantum mechanics also for imaging the mention above as scientific evidence.
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