Fwd: Remarks on CBS This Morning (Worth Reading)

From: Daniel S.
Sent on: Wednesday, March 6, 2013 12:02 AM
My response to a Ben Stein potboiler that has been going around.  --Dan S.
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From: Dan
Sent: Tue, Mar 5,[masked]:37 pm
Subject: Re: Remarks on CBS This Morning (Worth Reading)

Hi Ed,
     I've lost track of the Snopes link, but some of this is not true.  For instance, Benjamin Spock did not commit suicide. 
      I believe in separation of church and state.  So did Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, Abraham Lincoln, Tom Paine and many others.  As I think you know, Thomas Jefferson coined the phrase "a wall of separation between church and state."  When the Constitution was being written there were discussions at the convention and in the various states about including references to God in the new Constitution, particularly in the preamble, but it was decided to go with "We the people" instead.  The Founders, and other educated people, lived in a period referred to as The Enlightenment, and they were well qualified members of the same.  They knew the mischief that resulted in "giving the church a sword," since that was the predominant way of governments in Europe.  Today we see it in the Muslim world.
       Members of a Baptist church wrote to Jefferson, concerned that, as a minority, they would receive no remuneration while other denominations might, and that they might be treated poorly.  Jefferson assured them that church and state were separate concerns and that the government was neutral concerning religion, neither encouraging nor discouraging it.  I'm not sure but he may have said something to the effect that he would defend the principle involved with his life. 
     James Madison said: "The number, the industry, and the morality of the Priesthood, and the devotion of the people have been manifestly increased by the total separation of the Church from the State." 
     People today have forgotten or never really knew their history and so they confuse separation of church and state for persecution of religion.  Nothing could be further from the truth.  Since 1980 political candidates don't dare make a speech without concluding with "God Bless America."  That wasn't always true.  The airwaves are flooded with religious messages, especially conservative Christian messages.  There is no problem with expressing religious convictions, even if some employers require that this not be done on their dollar.  How many atheists, agnostics or free thinkers do you get to hear on radio or TV or to read about in the mainstream media?  
     When it comes to public monuments the place for the Ten Commandments is on church or private lawns.  On public property, which belongs to all the people, the ten articles in the Bill of Rights would be appropriate.  You may know that Moses appears on the front of the Supreme Court (there are other examples) but Moses is there along with several other famous law givers, and is not meant to represent the Jewish or Christian religions in a proselytizing sense.
     Well, I think I've said a mouthful but I am concerned that our society has lost track of first principles.  And, by the way, atheists and agnostics have a much lower crime rate than almost anyone else, so while, on the open market place of ideas they may be a threat to faith, they preach and live moral lives and are a threat to no one's person, property or morals.  --Dan 
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Subject: Remarks on CBS This Morning (Worth Reading )
The following was written by Ben Stein and recited by him on CBS Sunday Morning Commentary.

My confession:

  I don't like getting pushed around for being a Jew, and I don't think Christians like getting pushed around for being Christians. I think people who believe in God are sick and tired of getting pushed around, period. I have no idea where the concept came from, that America is an explicitly 

  atheist country. I can't find it in the Constitution and I don't like it being shoved down my throat... 

    Or maybe I can put it another way: where did the idea come from that we should worship 
celebrities and we aren't allowed to worship God as we understand Him? I guess that's a sign that I'm getting old, too. But there are a lot of us who are wondering where these celebrities came from and where the America we knew went to. 

    In light of the many jokes we send to one another for a laugh, this is a little different: This is not intended to be a joke; it's not funny, it's intended to get you thinking. 
In light of recent events... terrorists attack, school shootings, etc.. I think it 
started when Madeleine Murray O'Hare (she was murdered, her body found a few years ago) complained she didn't want prayer in our schools, and we 
said OK. Then someone said you better not read the Bible in school... The Bible says thou shalt not kill; thou shalt not steal, and love your neighbor as yourself. And we said 


    Then Dr. Benjamin Spock 
said we shouldn't spank our children when they misbehave, because their little
 personalities would be warped and we might damage their self-esteem 
(Dr. Spock's son committed suicide). We said an expert should know what he's talking about.. And we said 


    Now we're asking ourselves why our children have no conscience, why they don't know right from wrong, and why it doesn't bother them to kill strangers, their classmates, and themselves.

Probably, if we think about it long and hard enough, we can figure it out. 

  I think it has a great deal to do with 'WE REAP WHAT WE SOW.

    Funny how simple it is for 
people to trash God and then wonder why the world's going to hell. Funny how we believe what the newspapers say, but question what the Bible says. 

  Funny how you can send 'jokes' through e-mail and they spread like wildfire, but when you start sending messages regarding the Lord, people 
think twice about sharing. Funny how lewd, crude, vulgar and obscene articles pass freely through cyberspace, but public discussion of God is suppressed in the school and workplace. 

    Are you laughing yet? 

    Funny how when you forward this message, you will not send it to many on your address list because you're not sure what they believe, or what they will think of you for sending it. 

    Funny how we can be more worried about what other people think of us than what God thinks of us. 

    Pass it on if you think it has merit. 

    If not, then just discard it... no one will know you did. But, if you discard this thought process, don't sit back and complain about what bad shape the world is in. 

    My Best Regards, Honestly and respectfully, 

  Ben Stein
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