Re: [atheists-36] Fwd: Intersting take on the future (concerns Muslim religion)

From: Daniel S.
Sent on: Saturday, August 10, 2013 5:33 PM
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From: Jeffrey Young <[address removed]>
To: atheists-36 <[address removed]>
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Subject: Re: [atheists-36] Fwd: Intersting take on the future (concerns Muslim religion)

My disagreement is characterizing all Muslims as a threat.  There is a great diversity in the Muslim world - just as there is diversity among Freethinkers as to how to deal with religious extremists.  I agree that not all Muslims are a threat.  I don't think that can be said for the religion itself, which has a basic antipathy to outsiders and does tend to become autocratic when it acquires power.  --Dan
 
In any event, I thought it worth while to express somewhat opposing viewpoints - because I do not want to see people who have differing opinions be intimidated by others.


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From: Daniel Strack <[address removed]>
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Subject: Re: [atheists-36] Fwd: Intersting take on the future (concerns Muslim religion)

     As I said to Jeffrey in a private communication, I believe Muslims deserve to be respected and to receive the full protection of our laws.  However, I don't believe, long term, that this threat is imaginary, and I do believe a country has the right to regulate immigration as it sees fit. 
      I grant you that immigration policies in the past have, as in the case of the Chinese, been based on racial prejudice but, concerning Muslims, it is based on long term survival and maintaining the separation of church and state.  I wouldn't eliminate immigration from Muslim countries but would keep it to a minimum.  In give or take another century or two there could be positive changes in the Muslim world which would justify a change of policy on our part.  --Dan
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While respecting your right to say you disagree I don't think it's especially helpful to do so without saying why.

For what it's worth I disagree with Daniels suggestion to discriminate against those from Muslim countries when it comes to immigration.


Steve

On 8/9/[masked]:40 PM, Jeffrey Young wrote:
Rather than go into an elaborate debate, I just want to state that I do not totally agree with your and the other slant on Islam.  
 
Wanted to make sure that the views presented are not representative of all freethinkers that have access to this site.
I feel it is important for people to state opposing viewpoints.

 
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Subject: Fwd: Intersting take on the future (concerns Muslim religion)


Subject: Fwd: Intersting take on the future (concerns Muslim religion)

     Any society based on "religious" precepts is one to be avoided.  Much as I value inclusiveness I think the Muslim religion, at its heart, is an enemy of progressive societies.  Immigration from Muslim dominated countries should be severely limited by every nation that values Western civilization.  There are many gentle Muslims who would not think of imposing their way of life on others but I'm convinced that, in time, their voices would not be heard by a violent, brainwashed segment which would ultimately become the majority. 
     Though somewhat less threatening, the extreme religious right in our country shares with extreme Muslims the desire for the church/Mosque to have the final say on everything.  The men who wrote our Constitution were, from bitter experience in Europe, acutely aware of this tendency on the part of organized religion, which is why they went to great lengths, despite some opposition, to write a completely secular Constitution.  Most of them believed in God, in one way or another, but they understood, at a deep level, the importance of the separation of church and state.  --Dan
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Subject: Intersting take on the future

I have no idea who wrote this.
 




The Historical Roots and Contemporary Threat

Islam is not a religion, nor is it a cult. In its fullest form, it is a complete, total, 100% system of life.

Islam has religious, legal, political, economic, social, and military components. The religious component is a “beard” for all of the other components.

Islamisation begins when there are sufficient Muslims in a country to agitate for their religious privileges.

When politically correct, tolerant and culturally diverse, societies agree to Muslim demands for their religious privileges, some of the other components tend to creep in as well.

Here's how it works:

As long as the Muslim population remains around or under 2% in any given country, they will, for the most part, be regarded as a peace-loving minority, and not as a threat to other citizens.


This is the case in: United States -- Muslim 0.6 %, Australia -- Muslim 1.5%,Canada -- Muslim 1.9%, China -- Muslim 1.8%, Italy -- Muslim 1.5%, Norway -- Muslim 1.8%.

At 2% to 5%, they begin to proselytize from other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups, often with major recruiting from the jails and among street gangs. This is happening in:

Denmark -- Muslim 2%
United Kingdom -- Muslim 2.7%
Germany -- Muslim 3.7%
Spain -- Muslim 4%
Thailand -- Muslim 4.6%

From 5% on, they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their percentage of the population.

For example, they will push for the introduction of halal - clean by Islamic standards - food, thereby, securing food preparation jobs for Muslims. They will increase pressure on supermarket chains to feature halal on their shelves, along with threats for failure to comply. This is occurring in:
France -- Muslim 8%
Trinidad & Tobago -- Muslim 5.8%
The Netherlands -- Muslim 5.5%
Philippines -- 5%
Sweden -- Muslim 5%
Switzerland -- Muslim 4.3%

At this point, they will work to get the ruling government to allow them to rule themselves (within their ghettos) under Sharia, the Islamic Law. The ultimate goal of Islamists is to establish Sharia law over the entire world.

When Muslims approach 10% of the population, they tend to increase lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions. In Paris , we are already seeing car-burnings. Any non-Muslim action offends Islam, and results in uprisings and threats, such as in Amsterdam , with pretext of opposition to Mohammed cartoons and films about Islam. Such tensions are seen daily, particularly in Muslim sections in:

Israel -- Muslim 16%
Russia -- Muslim 15%
India -- Muslim 13.4
Kenya -- Muslim 10%
Guyana -- Muslim 10%

After reaching 20%, nations can expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia formations, sporadic killings, and the burning of Christian churches and Jewish synagogues, such as in:

Ethiopia -- Muslim 32.8%

At 40%, nations experience widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks, and ongoing militia warfare, such as in:

Bosnia -- Muslim 40%
Chad -- Muslim 53.1%
Lebanon -- Muslim 59.7%

From 60%, nations experience unfettered persecution of non-believers of all other religions (including non-conforming Muslims), sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia Law as a weapon, and Jizya, the tax placed on infidels, such as in:

Malaysia -- Muslim 60.4%
Albania -- Muslim 70%
Sudan -- Muslim 70%
Qatar -- Muslim 77.5%

After 80%, expect daily intimidation and violent jihad, some state-run ethnic cleansing, and even some genocide, as these nations drive out the infidels, and move toward 100% Muslim, such as has been experienced and in some ways is on-going in:

Bangladesh -- Muslim 83%
Indonesia -- Muslim 86.1%
Syria -- Muslim 90%
Tajikistan -- Muslim 90% 
Egypt -- Muslim 90%
Jordan -- Muslim 92%
United Arab Emirates -- Muslim 96%
Iraq -- Muslim 97%
Pakistan -- Muslim 97%
Iran -- Muslim 98%
Gaza -- Muslim 98.7%
Morocco -- Muslim 98.7%
Palestine -- Muslim 99%
Turkey -- Muslim 99.8%

100% should expect to usher in the peace of  'Dar-es-Salaam' – the Islamic House of Peace.. Here there's supposed to be peace, because everybody is a Muslim, the Madrasses are the only schools, and the Koran is the only word, such as in:

Afghanistan -- Muslim 100%
Saudi Arabia -- Muslim 100%
Somalia -- Muslim 100%
Yemen -- Muslim 100%

Unfortunately, with 100% also, peace is never achieved, as in these 100% states the most radical Muslims intimidate and spew hatred, and satisfy their blood lust by killing less radical Muslims, for a variety of trivial reasons.

'Before I was nine I had learned the basic canon of Arab life. It was me against my brother; me and my brother against our father; my family against my cousins and the clan; the clan against the tribe; the tribe against the world, and all of us against the infidels.

It is important to understand that in some countries, with well under 100% Muslim populations, such as France, the minority Muslim populations live in ghettos, within which they are 100% Muslim, and within which they live by Sharia Law.





The national police do not even enter these ghettos. There are no national courts, nor schools, nor non-Muslim religious facilities. In such situations, Muslims do not integrate into the community at large. The children attend madrasses. They learn only the Koran. To even associate with an infidel is a crime punishable with death.

Therefore, in some areas of certain nations, Muslim Imams and extremists exercise more power than the national average would indicate.

Today's 1.5 billion Muslims make up 22% of the world's population. But their birth rates dwarf the birth rates of Christians, Hindus, Buddhists, Jews, and all other believers. Muslims will exceed 50% of the world's population by the end of this century.


Quite an eye opener, isn’t it?
 
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