Re: [atheists-36] Separation of Church and Hospitals

From: Adam N.
Sent on: Sunday, August 11, 2013 12:05 PM
My wife broke her arm two years ago in a fall going into a friends house for Thanksgiving dinner. The only hospital close to the accident with staff to treat the fracture during the holiday was Florida hospital. This is a religious institution which made us both uncomfortable since we had bad experiences with this institution both ethically and scientifically in the past; but she was in pain and this was simply a broken bone; is not exactly a medical mystery. Still, surgery was required and the options were limited. 

In the waiting room of the surgery suite there was an obscene painting of Jesus leaning over the surgeon guiding his hand. A woman who saw me look at it remarked before seeing the expression on my face "isn't it comforting to know that our lord guides the hand of those who operate on our loved ones?" 

I looked at her with a quizzical look and couldn't help but express my distain. I said "with all due respect I am a man of science not of superstition; I do not want a doctor that needs god to be effective; I want one that thinks he IS god and as such, needs no help!"

She was shocked but at that moment, my patience was limited. Perhaps I was abrupt but personally I am fed up with superstition supplanting science.

My wife is also a Pancreatic Cancer survivor of going on 4 years; a medical anomoly. She is cancer free, not because of prayer but due to science, and a lot of it! And due to a surgeons skill, and a lot of that as well. Over 80% of her medical team are atheists and their guide is science.

Had we tried to pray away a pancreatic adneocarcinoma she would now be dead. She lives BECAUSE of atheism and a lifelong trust in science.

The only thing that belongs in a hospital is medical science. The chapels should be removed in my opinion and replaced with laboratory space and a small room for secular counseling for use by compassionate mental health professionals when grief visits a family. Crosses with bleeding Jesuses upon them are not the image we should confront during times of medical stress!   

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Stay well,

Adam Nehr

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From: [address removed]
To: "[address removed]" <[address removed]>
Subject: Re: [atheists-36] Separation of Church and Hospitals
Date: 08/11/13 09:11

Christopher Hitchens, perhaps the greatest moral compass of atheism,
gave this talk which made clear that WE DO NOT NEED EACH OTHER. If
religion is to end, we do NOT NEED A REPLACEMENT... only to acknowledge
other skeptics in the passing way.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sD0B-X9LJjs

Let us remember Christopher Hitchens, knowing that he is NOT anywhere
else... his consciousness ceased when he died, but his WORDS and QUALITY
of THOUGHT live on.

Let's listen... Let's LEARN. :-)

Nelson
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Subject: Re: [atheists-36] Separation of Church and Hospitals
From: Jeffrey Young <[address removed]>
To: [address removed]
Date: 8/11/[masked]:58 AM

> My viewpoint is that as long as the hospital receives any government
> funding, there should be no religious affiliation.
> However, if the hospital is 100% privately funded, then my viewpoint is
> that they are free to do whatever they want - including not performing
> abortions, sprinkling holy water on all patients, etc. The only cavaet
> would be that they would be required to accept any and all patients for
> emergency services without any religious requirements.
> The line is at what point does government interfere with the rights of
> both religious and non-religious groups.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: joseph levy <[address removed]>
> To: atheists-36 <[address removed]>
> Sent: Sun, Aug 11,[masked]:00 am
> Subject: [atheists-36] Separation of Church and Hospitals
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> There is much debate and activity in the issue of the separation of
> church and state but why not the separation of church and hospitals? As
> I type this discussion I am sitting in the labor and delivery ward with
> my wife, in a hospital named after a biblical saint. It occurred to me
> that religious affiliation with medical science seems contradictory. The
> doctors here do not perform faith healing. The doctors do not prescribe
> holy water and there are no religious shrines in the hospital that are
> used for medicinal purposes. Why do we accept this unholy/un-scientific
> union?
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