Re: [entrepreneur-1566] Hi HKBOers, please contribute your ideas for our coming meetup to be scheduled in February

From: Terry T.
Sent on: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 11:33 PM
Hi Geoff,

Thanks a lot for the comment! Yes, you are right. It's probably better to present some open source/free software solutions that are useful to non-technical users. According to my experience, even for some programs we IT people take for granted, many non-technical users (small biz owners) are not aware of. It's much more practical to introduce those freely available software that most people can actually use in their daily lives. So, let's cut Linux from topic 1, supplement it with maybe a few more commonly used utility programs.

By the way, would you be interested in presenting Open Office or some of the software you mentioned in your previous message? It will be great if you can do so. I will also prepare a few tools I find useful. So hopefully during the meetup, we may introduce maybe 3 or 4 (or maybe a few more, depending on the programs introduced) software tools people may use to solve some common problems, or perhaps save some money. I think a few programs (maybe under 5) should probably be enough and we may make the session around 30-45 minutes long. After that, the group may move on to other topics. Hopefully, if people find they can learn something practical (even just some little things, which are still better than nothing), more people will participate and contribute ideas.

Anyway, thanks a lot for your input.

Cheers,
Terry



On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 9:28 AM, Geoffrey Tipton <[address removed]> wrote:
Yes Terry you are right, it was BNI I was referring to. 1 comment on your presentation I might add. I am an Open Source Specialist, and currently working for Dairy Farm, We own 7-11, Mannings, Welcome, Ikea, Olivers, and a few others. My work involves recommending and implementing Open source solutions to problems, in most cases better than MS solutions, one of those is to Role out the Open Office as an accepted standard for Documentation, Excel, powerpoint, though the Access component is lacking, it is not used. So Thumbs up on the promotion of Open office, But I think the idea of dualy booting to Ubuntu might be a bit premature, I would show that Open office works, stably, and is as effective and in some cases better than MS Office, within the Windows environment, and that it is faster, more stable, and less chance to loose some work. Possible show casing of Ubuntu is great for some of us IT types, but I beleive its to Geek for many of the business types, and would not be usefull for them to see.
It might be an idea to place a couple of Topics, such as Presenting Alternatives in the open source market, that can help people stay productive, but save money.
Some ideas I thought of is like this.
MS Office (Word,Excell, Power Point) => Open Office.
Adobe Paint Shop => Paint.NET
Adobe Acrobat PDF Creator => . CutePDF (Looks like a printer, so anything can be made into PDF)
Plus many many more.
Though I am not sure of the Geekiness of the attendees, we don't want to scare those no Tech types away.

Regards
Geoff

Terry Tong wrote:
Hi everybody,

Thank you all for your kind input! After collecting all the ideas contributed and based on our current situation, I'd like to propose the following for our coming meetup in February:

HKBO February Meetup

Length:
Around 2 hours or less

What :
Hopefully, we will start around 8pm.

1. Brief introduction of Ubuntu and OpenOffice.org as free alternatives to Windows and MS Office; dual boot Windows and Linux; (given by me) - around 30-45 minutes
2. Productivity or PIM (Personal Information Management, outlook etc) or Taxation/Accounting (given by a guest, depending on whom we will be able to invite on that night) - around 30-45 minutes
3. Free discussion (challenges/opportunities of Vincci's business/industry and/or other topics as suggested by Philip and/or plans on next meetups) - around 30-45 minutes

End around 10pm.

Date:
In early February, around 8pm on a week day; The date and time is open for suggestion.

Place:
Somewhere on HK Island, perhaps in Causeway Bay; open for suggestion.

I will announce the meetup later this week. If I don't receive any suggestions on the date and place, I will make the decision. Please also let me know if you'd like to change the topics of the meetup.

@Adam:
I have tried Ning.com. It is pretty good. So basically we don't need to do any extra work on setting up the forum, etc. It's very functional out-of-box. Hopefully, we will move the discussion over to Ning.com soon.

@Vincci & Philip
Thanks for the suggesions. I think they will make some interesting topics for the free discussion session.

@Geoff
Thanks for the suggestions on the organization of the meetup. Let's see how we may implement some of the rules/organizational improvement. By the way,
IBO-> did you mean BNI? Actually, I had been to a few meetings of BNI earlier last year. Yes, the way BNI organizes its meetings is very good, although it requires a lot more commitment from both the organizers and the members; and yes indeed, the membership fee is quite expensive. It's a huge challenge if HKBO is to become such a group (in terms of the organization, not the content). Given our current situation, it is very hard. But, that makes a very good goal. We will see.

Anyway, thanks again for your time and good suggestions!

Cheers,
Terry


On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 3:25 PM, Geoffrey Tipton <[address removed] <mailto:[address removed]>> wrote:

   Another way to look at it maybe in the way that the IBO do it,
   they have a weekly meeting, strct rules.
   Every week, 1 member presents their business, in a 15 Minute
   Presentation.
   Every one has 2 minute to present them selfs and their business,
   New members have 30 Seconds.
   Then finished with Q&A, then sometimes Guest speakers are invited
   on special topics.
   Only 1 representative of each business is aloud in that Group, so
   another group is formed, same rules.
   They all pay a monthly member ship fee.
   And they Vow to promote each others business, like having 20 plus
   marketing people of your business.
   The meetings are at 7 am in the morning, (<- Crazy, but shows
   comitment)


   The 15 Minute presentation is usually to educate everyone else in
   the team on how the business can help them, sometimes giving
   advise, and in many cases can be very educational and interesting.

   Now this may be to structured for our Task's, but on the other
   hand, there is some formula her that could be used, such as the
   introduction stage, 15 Minute presentation, even Guest Speaker,
   and everyone having more than 1 of your business cards. but put it
   into a bar, Team up business of similar nature, and have a good
   time to boot.


   TSE Ho keung wrote:

       Hi, everybody,
        How about a common topic --- coming challenges, risks and
       opportunities.
        Each of us may have a lot to talk about and learn from others
       regarding our individual businesses, trades and also, the
       global financial situations.
         Philip TSE          */Terry Tong <[address removed] <mailto:[address removed]>>/*
       wrote:

          Hi everybody,

          First, thanks a lot for Scott's suggestions! Yes, some form of
          online communication is a good idea, I can help with that
       (blog,
          forum etc). But again, the challenge will be how to
       stimulate the
          participation of the members. But anyway, that's a good idea. I
          will see how I can setup a blog or forum for the group (so
       Scott,
          you don't have to do it).

          By the way, as for the topic for the next meetup: would you be
          interested in learning something about website setup, open
       source
          software (especially OpenOffice.org as a free alternative to MS
          Office), or Linux (as a free alternative to Windows), or some
          tech-related topics that are related to small businesses?
       If so,
          let me know because I (inspired by Scott's suggestion)

          I will also invite someone who may provide some tax/accounting
          advice. So, that's great! Scott has provided some good
       ideas, so
          we have some specific topics for the next meetup. I will
       announce
          the details later.

          At the mean time, nothing has been finalized, yet. I hope you
          don't take this as a signal (or an excuse) for stopping
       thinking.
          Any ideas are welcome at any time, remember, we still need
       ideas
          for the meetups to follow.

          I understand that not everyone on the mailing list may see the
          email in time, because the email account subscribed might
       not be
          checked very often. But that doesn't matter. Any time, if
       you have
          something you'd like to say and share, you are welcome to
       do so.

          Thanks,
          Terry
          p.s. Sorry, Scott, if you receive this message twice. I
       have just
          realized it should be addressed to the mailing list, instead of
          just your email account.


          On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 1:55 PM, Scott Christensen
          <[address removed] <mailto:[address removed]>
       <mailto:[address removed] <mailto:[address removed]>>> wrote:

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              Date: Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 1:34 PM
              Subject: Re: [entrepreneur-1566] Hi HKBOers, please
       contribute
              your
              ideas for  our coming meetup to be scheduled in February
              To: [address removed]
       <mailto:[address removed]>
              <mailto:[address removed]
       <mailto:[address removed]>>


              A very good idea would be to create a message group or blog
              page so
              people could throw questions out there when they have
       them and get
              responses from members of the group.  'problem solving'
       is a
              full time
              job for business owners, this would be very popular I
       think.          I think
              creating some connections through internet chatting
       would help
              everyone find some common topics.

              For the meetup I think maybe best would a 30 minute
       speech from
              someone who could come to talk about something useful for
              everyone,
              like webpage services, or accounting or tax
       advice,etc..  and then
              have a hangout session after that maybe.  I guess
       everyone has
              very
              different businesses though so hard to find something
       useful for
              everyone.

              If of interest I could try to figure out how easy it is to
              setup a blog page.


              On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 11:54 PM, Terry Tong
              <[address removed] <mailto:[address removed]>
       <mailto:[address removed] <mailto:[address removed]>>> wrote:
              > Hi everybody,
              >
              > First, a big thank you for opening the email! Please
       spend 2
              minutes to read
              > the rest of it.
              >
              > Happy new year! This is Terry, the organizer of HKBO. I'd
              like to take this
              > opportunity to invite you to contribute your ideas
       for our
              coming meetup
              > scheduled in February (which will be announced later).
              >
              > More specifically, I'd like to gather your ideas on the
              following:
              > 1. Topic: what would you like to see, discuss, or
       have for
              the coming
              > meetup?
              >
              > 2. Format: how should our next meetup be conducted:
       casual
              chat, seminar,
              > dinner? or should we invite some guest speakers to the
              meetup? if so, who
              > would you like to meet?
              > (don't underestimate our capability to reach and
       invite some
              interesting
              > people)
              >
              > The following 2 items are easy (priority will be given to
              those members who
              > speak first):
              > 3. Place: where would you like to meet?
              > (I have noticed that some members won't come to the
       meetup
              if it's not
              > scheduled on HK island, If so, please let me know
       explicitly
              so that I may
              > make better arrangement.)
              >
              > 4. Date and Time: which day of the week would you prefer,
              and at what time?
              > (hopefully we will pick a date and time that suits
       around at
              least 10
              > people, minus those who don't show up, we will still have
              enough people to
              > make the meetup a worthwhile social event for your life
              outside of work.)
              >
              > The following 2 items are some organizational issues:
              > 5. Frequency: should our meetup be monthly, bi-weekly, or
              weekly?
              >
              > 6. Leaders wanted: anybody interested in becoming a
              co-organizer in this
              > group?
              > (by that I mean, whether you would be interested in
       becoming
              a co-organizer
              > so that for example, I may hold a meetup in the
       first-half
              of the month and
              > you may hold a meetup in the second-half of the
       month, with

              different
              > topics/interests. That way, we may make it a more
       frequent
              event and
              > hopefully can stimulate the participation of the
       members in
              the group. Say,
              > if you can't catch the meetup (or not interested) in the
              first-half of the
              > month, you may go to the one in the second-half. Due
       to the
              limited time and
              > energy of a single person, I can't make this happen
       just by
              myself.)
              >
              > Some of our members have suggested that we should have a
              specific topic for
              > each meetup so that the discussions will be more
       interesting
              and focused. I
              > am asking for your help to contribute your ideas for
       topics.
              We have over 80
              > subscribed members, there bound to be some brilliant
       ideas
              coming from you!
              >
              > From what we have achieved in the past meetups, I
       think now
              it's time to
              > reform it. Your participation is crucial in this
       important step.
              >
              > I have noticed that in December and January, we had
       quite a
              few new members
              > joined the group. Welcome! And please contribute your
       ideas.
              To all members:
              > your idea will not only benefit the rest of the
       group, but
              more importantly,
              > yourself. I guess one of the reasons you choose to
       join this
              group is
              > because you want to spend some meaningful time with
       someone
              who share some
              > common interests with you, right? But to give meaning
       to the
              membership and
              > your time, your participation is the only thing that
       really
              matters.
              >
              > I truly appreciate your idea; any idea is
       indefinitely many
              times better
              > than 0 idea. If I don't hear from anyone of you (if
       that's
              really the case,
              > I will be disappointed), I will still schedule the next
              meetup and make all
              > the decisions by myself. We can still keep the meetup
       alive
              and ongoing, but
              > I guess there won't be a lot of meaning in it. This is a
              community group
              > which I happen to be organizer, but please remember, a
              community is a
              > community only if the people in it take ownership of
       it; an
              organizer is an
              > organizer only if he can talk to his community and get
              feedback from its
              > people.
              >
              > Thank you for your time. I look forward to your
       ideas, soon.
              >
              > Have a nice weekend,
              > Terry
              >
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