2014 Fall Season Opening Hike to Alton Grange

Alton Grange Instructions and driving instructions


Trail: 2014 Fall Season Opening Hike

Hike Leader:  Howard Gibson

Please Check Our Schedule for Updates: http://hphc.ca/Schedule.html 

Please Read:
Trip detail and directions:
 

http://www.hphc.ca/Alton9.html


Ten kilometers.   One big hill we will eat lunch on top of.  After lunch, we check out  Alton Mill art gallery.  I have just checked out the valley, and it is not flooded by beavers. 

Thank you all for booking without knowing the destination.  We appreciate your trust on this.

Note: Last season we left a few hikers at the curb because we did not have enough drivers. We foresee this situation will get worse, not better, because more people are opting for public transit instead of owning cars. We are brainstorming on ways to improve our carpool arrangement; your suggestions are welcome. 


Useful Information:

Carpool: http://www.hphc.ca/ShowingUp.html
What to bring: http://hphc.ca/WhatToBring.html 
Hiking Etiquette http://www.hphc.ca/HikeEtiquette.html 
Rating Hikes: http://hphc.ca/HikeRating2.html


Additional Note:

As noted, we usually go for a refreshment after the hike. Sometimes we even stay for dinner.  If you must rush back to Toronto after the hike, please make it known at carpool time, so that we can group the drivers and passengers together.

Our membership form is up on the internet.  Please fill it up and bring it to your next hike. 
http://hphc.ca/Joining.html 


Après-hike suggestion:

We have a lot of people signed up for this.   How about the Wild Goose Bar and Grille?


Waiver:

Hiking is a dangerous activity; each participant agrees to assume his/her own risks. If you are new to hiking, please start with a Level 1 hike. Hike leader's decision is final.

See you on the trail.

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  • Jonathan

    From the descriptions, sounds like some hikers have stepped on a yellow jacket nest. They are also called ground bees because they build their nest in the ground. A typical nest can have multiple queens, and contains as many as 100k bees. They are not honey bees, they do not produce honey. Unfortunate their sting is worse than the honey bees. Honey bees' stinger has barb, the bee will die after stinging, therefore bees will only sting as a last resort. Yellow jackets' stinger does not have barb, they can sting multiple times, and they are more than happy to oblige.

    1 · September 9

    • Jonathan

      The takeaway lesson -- Stay on the trail. :-)

      September 9

  • Smiljka

    Dear hikers, just to let everyone know that Daniel is feeling better and recovering fast. His mom Tamara and him are thankful for eryone's help.

    5 · September 7

    • Gayatri

      Good to here. Hope to catch everyone at the next event.

      September 7

    • Michelle S.

      Glad to hear Daniel is doing better. My bites have turned from stinging to itchy. Sorry i had to leave early and missed half of the hike. I hope everyone else who got stung is doing well.

      September 8

  • Cameron

    This was my first outing and I really enjoyed meeting a new group of people. Thanks for making me fell like one of the group.

    4 · September 7

    • Cathy

      Yes it was a cohesive group today. It's my second walk and the people are great.

      1 · September 7

  • Tamara

    A heartfelt thank you to you all for helping out this afternoon. Daniel and I truly appreciate the collaborative effort and compassion you all showed through this unfortunate circumstance (handled superbly well considering 13 stings in total; not sure any one of us would have handled that many stings any better). We're very sorry the hike was cut short as it started off so wonderfully and we sincerely hope you were able to enjoy the remainder of it.

    Many thanks to you all,
    Daniel & Tamara

    6 · September 7

  • J.P.

    Sorry we had to leave early. Overall a good time.

    September 7

  • Moon H.

    Seems I missed the group. I was here at the station earlier though..

    September 7

    • Jonathan

      Please study the map carefully; it has the EXACT location of the meeting point.

      1 · September 7

    • Moon H.

      I realized after that. My wrong assumption on the meeting place. I was at the other parking lot. I wouldn't miss the meeting again for sure. Thank you :)

      September 7

  • Linz

    Enjoy this beautiful, sunny September day. I am sorry I won't be able to join you all.

    September 7

  • Sarah N

    I'm not able to make it, see everyone next hike.

    September 7

  • Peter W

    I drove by two subway stations at 9am this morning - There were no lineups ,,, This aft was a bit rough ... Just plan on leaving extra time !

    1 · September 6

  • Enza

    I am going on the hike tomorrow and was wondering if anyone has Howard's number - I am going directly to the hiking place and need a number in case I get lost :)

    September 6

    • Mae

      I don't think Howard gives his cell number. We all used meetup to communicate when we were lost or late.

      September 6

    • Mae

      By the way, Howard doesn't have a smart phone and most of us have a smart phone which we check meetup when we are at the hiking meetup spot.

      September 6

  • Mae

    Just got off the shuttle bus as it took 1.5 hours to get home from Lawrence Station. The lineup from Bloor is very long. Have lots of fun hiking!

    September 6

  • Elizabeth A.

    Hello Howard and Jonathan, I"ve just gone into my RSVP and edited my comments to indicate that I'll be driving with room for 3 passengers. Perhaps others can do the same so that we'll get an idea of the number of drivers and passengers leaving from York Mills.

    1 · September 6

    • Irene

      It will be better if it is not a link available yet.. to make the comments about open to ride... here in the main page... so we can see who is available.

      September 6

    • Cathy

      This is reassuring.. Nice to know. I am a Zip girl too but haven't driven on highways much yet. Thanks Eluzabeth.

      September 6

  • J.P.

    I will be driving directly to the location with my plus 2.

    1 · September 6

  • Anjana

    I am not cent that I shall b going. If I go I will have space in my car 4 three/four people

    1 · September 6

  • Anjana

    what time will we be back in town? Tentatively?

    September 5

    • Jonathan

      The hike should finish around 4 pm... return time depends on your driver and whether your group hangs around for a refreshment.

      1 · September 5

  • KB

    Mr. Howard, FYI: Dez, Irene, Gayatri and I will be riding to the destination together from Royal York.

    1 · September 5

  • Irene

    Howard,
    As far I know there is a tool through the meet up website that permits you create a link ... where the people can go and sign as a driver or as passenger so it is easy to identify at least how many passengers are in needs of drivers... So the best guess... will be to know how many of us needs a ride... and how many drivers are willing to give us a ride... Passengers and drivers are matching upon the link. It is a virtual site where both side of the rope meet before the event.

    September 5

  • Maria Victoria E.

    I'll show up at York Mills as well.

    September 5

  • Dez

    Any cars leaving from the west end for this hike? Where are we going anyway?

    September 2

    • Dez

      Found a ride with KB. Thanks!

      1 · September 5

  • Ina

    I'll have to pass on this hike. I'm doing another one this Saturday that will "eat" my whole energy. Hope to join you for the next one

    September 4

  • Maria Victoria E.

    Where are we going, may I ask? Anybody leaving from the west end? Would there be any room in any of the cars going from YM? Thanks

    September 3

  • Elena L.

    I am looking for ride from York Mills/
    Thanks for help.

    September 4

  • Tozheg

    Hi, I would love to join this hike and this would my first with your group. I have a 14 yrs old daughter and we do lots of hiking together. Can she join this hike or it is restrictedly 18+ ?

    September 4

    • Jonathan

      Sorry adults only please.

      September 4

  • Peter W

    *** SUBWAY CLOSURE *** Yonge St. (Line 1) - Shuttle buses from Bloor St. to Lawrence Ave. http://ttc.ca/Service_Advisories/Route_diversions/YUS_September_Yonge_to_Lawrence.jsp
    ..... Sorry - Please don't shoot the messenger.

    1 · September 3

    • Mae

      Thanks Peter.

      September 3

  • Mae

    Where are we hiking on Sunday? Sherman Falls in Hamilton would be great.

    1 · September 3

  • Elizabeth A.

    I've reserved a zipcar for Sept. 7th, and will be able to offer 4 rides from YorkMills. Total cost of Mazda 5 for the day is $136/6=$23 per person. Unless I get a guarantee of 4 passengers riding with me, by Friday evening (Sept. 5th) I will cancel the zipcar.

    September 2

    • Elizabeth A.

      Hi Jonathan, thanks for letting me know. Shoots, this could be a problem. I haven't rented this model before, so had no idea. I may have to rethink and try to get an SUV with 5 seats. Will research and let you know.

      September 3

    • Moon H.

      I need a ride please as well

      September 3

  • Ina

    Any news on where are we going this Sunday?

    September 2

  • Sherry R.

    I need a ride please...

    September 2

  • Howard G.

    I am starting to update the website for the new schedule. I have updated our Showing Up page http://www.hphc.ca/ShowingUp.html to show proposed carpool fees. How does this look to people?

    5 · August 29

    • Peter W

      Thanks for all of the work that you put into creating that web page, Howard ... It's well thought out, and should go a long way to increasing driver participation !!

      1 · September 2

  • Ivan C.

    Hi, I would like to join you guys but I will need a ride. Thanks!

    September 2

  • Maria Victoria E.

    Hello everyone. I'm glad to resume the hiking season. I'd need a ride as well. Thanks.

    September 2

  • Elizabeth A.

    Howard, I like the idea of a bus hire. Do you have any idea how many guests we would need to cover the cost of a bus? I would also gladly share the cost of a car rental.

    August 8

    • Howard G.

      High Park Ski Club pays $800-$1000 per bus. When they hire one, they are committed. As members, you will be committed too. :)

      August 29

    • Howard G.

      Of course, HPSC uses luxury buses, not the school buses Bruce Trail uses. :)

      1 · August 29

  • shirley s.

    Again,Joanthan, I would like being a volunteer and good at numbers, please add me on the

    1 · August 24

  • Irene

    So the best options for everyone... is creating in this Site a link for carpooling...so at least we will know before the hiking who can be the driver and the passengers. Other case....you can not compromise to everyone to have a driver ready for you on the spot..
    It's horrible to get there and finally discover you need to come back home due the luck of cars..

    1 · August 24

  • Irene

    So..... How we are going to do this hike... Are we going to carpooling with drivers or we are going to rent a Bus?

    August 24

    • Elizabeth A.

      We haven't as yet taken out the membership for my boyfriend (he's not in the province at the moment). When he's back next Wednesday, we'll get this done and can pick up his new membership at the local office.

      SO, if all goes as planned, I'll have room for 4 passengers. If I get no responses, then I've still got until Sept 6th, 7:59 am, to cancel the reservation.

      1 · August 24

    • Jonathan

      @Elizabeth: Please start a new thread, so that your ride offer does not get buried with people responding to the bus discussion.

      August 24

  • Peter W

    I agree with Kara's recommendations. I also suggest that many drivers are hesitant to bring their vehicle because it's cheaper to pay the rate being asked of passengers. I find that the real maintenance cost is $0.17 - $0.30 per km, and passengers who have never owned a car / SUV can't believe that it is that much. Unfortunately, the drivers who only charge for gas make other drivers look even more greedy, when they ask for a realistic reimbursement. http://www.bv.transports.gouv.qc.ca/mono/0965382.pdf
    http://www.connect2edmonton.ca/forum/showthread.php?t=16567
    There are other benefits to being a passenger over driving ... eg. When it's muddy, some members don't make an effort to clean their hiking boots, and our car mats take a punishing on the drive home; it's way more relaxing to be a passenger,,,

    3 · August 23

    • Mae

      I was Peter's passenger and I paid him whatever he wanted. I don't want to own a car and I rather give $ to him out.

      1 · August 23

    • Irene

      I have never disrespect any driver using a moody boot inside of their cars... I had my car since I was a teenager... I decided to sell it since to work and leave in West Downtown it has no sense to maintain it.

      August 24

  • Kara

    What I saw in other clubs and I find they all work pretty well.

    Create a carpool link for the hike. Willing driver indicate your pick up location and # of passengers you can have, indicate stay or not stay for dinner. Passenger check for driver that meet your requirements, add your name. Once the car is full no one can add their name. This is a real time registration. People can change the info anytime. Maintenance fee is $0.08/km plus current gas price. Sum the total divide by # of people you will have cost per person. Other option is to have a car pool options in the hike. When people register they need to select an option before completing the registration. Some of the options in the drop down for people to choose are: 1) will meet at carpool-passenger; will meet at car pool-willing driver; drive and meet at hike starting point; will meet at car pool driving myself, not participate in car pool; will meet at car pool, drive but prefer to be passenger. Etc....

    6 · August 9

    • Irene

      I was part of other hiking group that has created the carpooling link it was good enough when you have enough drivers willing to carpooling... But some of them didn't care about the link... at some point... still didn't work.

      1 · August 16

  • Bev S.

    I'm going on a hike on Sat with the BTHC & for the bus it is $25 for members & $30 for non members.

    August 8

    • Elizabeth A.

      Bev, good point with bus fares for the BTHC hikes. There are two reasons BTHC can keep their bus hikes' rates at an affordable price: 1. BTHC has a larger audience and well known among the hiking community; and 2) if they fall short on max numbers and don't get all the seats filled on the bus, someone, i.e. the BTHC chapter, does pick up the difference. This is what one of the hike leaders told me, as there are times when they don't get a full bus.

      2 · August 8

    • Mai416

      I don't think HP hikes will have a problem filling up a bus, ever since it teamed up with meetup. Membership has increased to 900 I was told.

      1 · August 16

  • Mai416

    chartering a bus is a good idea. Have hikers rsvp through a online registration and there seat will be held 20 mins prior to departure. If a no show, your seat goes to someone on the wait list.

    1 · August 12

    • Elizabeth A.

      Mai415, the bus chartering and online registration are good ideas, but we need more like a 1-2 day cancellation policy. Twenty (20) minutes does not allow enough time to move someone from the wait list. Someone has to pay for the seat if the folks on the wait list decide to opt out.

      1 · August 13

    • Mai416

      I'm a member of Bruce trail members pay $17, non members $22 if less than 110 km on the bus.

      1 · August 16

  • Elizabeth A.

    I know in the past, High Park Club has teamed up with the Bruce Trail club to share the cost of the bus. Perhaps going forward, we need to work with other hiking groups like Bruce Trail, Toronto Adventures.ca, and others, to share the overhead costs for the bus. I'd really like to participate in some day hikes out of Toronto, but really hate driving. And I don't like the idea of committing to a hike with no guarantee of getting a ride. Lots to think about.

    3 · August 13

    • Irene

      I agree with Elizabeth about being at the meet carpooling point finding you don't have enough vehicles to get in for the event.

      August 15

    • Irene

      An also I agree to share the cost of an alternative van o bus to get us outhere.

      August 15

  • Bev S.

    Sorry I hit the wrong button.

    August 8

    • Bev S.

      If the trip is shorter the the cost is less. - now I'm finished LOL

      1 · August 8

  • Bev S.

    .

    August 8

  • Mae

    We should use paypal and each person pays their bus fare online then they are committed. If you dont show up then you lose your bus deposit. Thus reminds me of the ski club rules. Our hiking club is growing so we have to accomodate. A bus would not allow for long hours for dinner as the bus drivers can only drive a limit of hours per shift.

    1 · August 8

    • shirley s.

      I totally agree with your idea, no pay no go

      August 8

  • Bev S.

    I also like the idea of a bus hire

    1 · August 8

  • A former member
    A former member

    I like the idea of a bus w/ various pick ups :-)

    # 10 4-5 people could share the cost of a rental ??

    1 · August 7

  • Jonathan

    New Carpool Brainstorming ideas:

    1) drivers don't pay
    2) members first, guests on standby
    3) hire bus
    4) buy a club van (I don't think so heheh)
    5) drivers get free dinner (sorry, can't buy you alcohol)
    6) put seats on auction
    7) driver gets kiss from all the passengers
    8) cancellation penalty $$$
    9) do city hikes
    10) ...

    1 · August 7

    • Mae

      Agree to all of the above!!!

      August 7

    • shirley s.

      Me too, plus put drivers name on the VIP List on our website

      August 7

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