"Values and Meanings" Discussion and Potluck

  • November 16, 2013 · 2:30 PM
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This is a discussion group for nonbelievers to talk about our individual values and the kinds of meanings we find in our lives. The goal is to create a safe space to share, listen, and explore together without debating, arguing, or trying to convince others.

The topic for the next discussion, November 16, will be TRUTH.

We will start with a potluck at 2:30pm, and begin the discussion at 3:30pm. After introductions and an icebreaker will be a brief reading about the day's topic. Then we will go around the room to give everyone a chance to share their thoughts on the reading and topic. Following that will be a moderated discussion to respond to each other's individual thoughts and explore further everyone's perspectives.

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  • Gleb

    Here is a post with some of my reflections on how the event went, and I would appreciate hearing your responses:
    http://www.hcco.org/node/311­

    1 · November 26, 2013

  • Agnes

    Thanks to everyone who came out! Next month we'll be meeting on December 21 at 2:30pm and the topic will be Celebrations.

    November 17, 2013

    • Jeff

      November 20, 2013

    • Agnes

      Thanks Jeff, I haven't seen this before. This is my favorite part:

      "I have concluded through careful, empirical analysis and much thought that somebody is looking out for me, keeping track of what I think about things, forgiving me when I do less than I ought, giving me strength to shoot for more than I think I'm capable of. I believe they know everything that I do and think and they still love me and I've concluded after careful consideration that this person keeping score is me."
      - Adam Savage

      1 · November 20, 2013

  • Gleb

    For those interested, here are the quotes (Part 1):

    Readings

    If you tell the truth, you don't have to remember anything.
    - Mark Twain

    The truth is rarely pure and never simple.
    - Oscar Wilde

    “The truth." Dumbledore sighed. "It is a beautiful and terrible thing, and should therefore be treated with great caution.”
    - J.K. Rowling

    The challenge remains. On the other side are formidable forces: money, political power, the major media. On our side are the people of the world and a power greater than money or weapons: the truth. Truth has a power of its own. Art has a power of its own. That age-old lesson – that everything we do matters – is the meaning of the people’s struggle here in the United States and everywhere.
    - Howard Zinn

    November 20, 2013

    • Gleb

      My people are going to learn the principles of democracy, the dictates of truth, and the teachings of science. Superstition must go. Let them worship as they will, every man can follow his own conscience provided it does not interfere with sane reason or bid him act against the liberty of his fellow men.
      - Mustafa Kemal Atatürk

      We have been socialized to respect fear more than our own need for language. I began to ask each time: "What's the worst that could happen to me if I tell this truth?" Unlike women in other countries, our breaking silence is unlikely to have us jailed, "disappeared" or run off the road at night. Our speaking out will irritate some people, get us called bitchy or hypersensitive and disrupt some dinner parties. And then our speaking out will permit other women to speak, until laws are changed and lives are saved and the world is altered forever. Next time, ask: What's the worst that will happen?
      - Audre Lorde

      November 20, 2013

    • Gleb

      Secularism is not an argument against Christianity, it is one independent of it. It does not question the pretensions of Christianity; it advances others. Secularism does not say there is no light or guidance elsewhere, but maintains that there is light and guidance in secular truth, whose conditions and sanctions exist independently, and act forever. Secular knowledge is manifestly that kind of knowledge which is founded in this life, which relates to the conduct of this life, conduces to the welfare of this life, and is capable of being tested by the experience of this life.
      - George Jacob Holyoake

      November 20, 2013

  • Cara (Karen I.

    Gleb requested a copy of a Carl Sagan quote that I read to our group yesterday. Others may be interested as well.

    "The truth may be puzzling. It may take some work to grapple with. It may be counterintuitive. It may contradict with deeply held prejudices. It may not be consistent with what we desperately want to be true. But our preferences do not determine what is true."

    He was speaking of some religious people who deny evolution and other scientific truths.

    3 · November 17, 2013

  • Sharon M.

    One apple cake with maple cream cheese icing, in the works! :-)

    1 · November 15, 2013

    • Agnes

      Yummy! We'll have hot apple cider.

      1 · November 15, 2013

  • Sharon M.

    I am going to try to be there-- I'm have a grip competition in the morning, but it should be wrapped up in time.

    2 · November 11, 2013

  • Gleb

    Here are some of the quotes that will help prompt our thinking about the role of truth in our lives, and the individual meaning we find in this concept:

    If you tell the truth, you don't have to remember anything.
    - Mark Twain

    The challenge remains. On the other side are formidable forces: money, political power, the major media. On our side are the people of the world and a power greater than money or weapons: the truth. Truth has a power of its own.
    - Howard Zinn

    Secularism is not an argument against Christianity, it is one independent of it. It does not question the pretensions of Christianity; it advances others. Secularism does not say there is no light or guidance elsewhere, but maintains that there is light and guidance in secular truth, whose conditions and sanctions exist independently, and act forever.
    - George Jacob Holyoake

    1 · November 9, 2013

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