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Bible and Beer Consortium at the Live Oak

The Live Oak will present SMU philosophy professor Dr. Robert Howell who will discuss, "Why Atheism Provides the Best Explanation of the Human Experience,"‏ and Ben Arbour of the University of Bristol who will discuss "Why Christian Theism Provides the Best Explanation of the Human Experience."  This is the second debate in the series. The first one, with our friend Dr. Zach Moore, was enjoyed by all who attended.

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  • Wanda F.

    So Meetup closed out twice, but I am going to try one more time to post a review. Despite all of the concern about excessive academia and various physicalism viewpoints, this was actually a very animated, interesting meetup. The biggest issue was moderation. A couple of people gave their own speeches during the Q&A, which were allowed to go on excessively. Nevertheless, group interest was wonderful. Also, Audrey, Miguel, Sarah, and Rhiana joined us, and Eva came with two friends, so it was quite interesting. Dr. Howell stuck with the rationale and so was quite impressive in this meeting. I enjoyed it thoroughly.

    July 28, 2014

    • John F.

      Ben B., I am an atheist in regard to the supreme being posited by the world religions. It depends on your definition of the term "atheist", and yours is excessively narrow. You could continue this argument (without me, I'm done), or you could grow some tolerance. 'Bye!

      July 28, 2014

    • Ben B

      John and Wanda,
      I have little objection to John except for his attitude towards science. I think Humanism is one of sciences gifts to humanity. I am not the least bit interested in John’s mysticism, but I am interested in science, especially when it supports the Humanist outlook.

      I think John’s attitude towards science is intolerant. John needs to grow some tolerance to science.

      July 28, 2014

  • Wanda F.

    I did go onto the Bible and Beer consortium Facebook site and object to the tobacco sponsorship, but I do think the one I attended last was worth it and fair.

    July 27, 2014

    • Ben B

      I couldn't attend last month but I have heard Zach Moore speak and debate and he has been great.

      July 27, 2014

  • Adam

    I went to this a month ago. It is sponsored by christians and atheists. There is more of an atheist turnout. It was very good with.both sides represented well

    July 27, 2014

    • Ben B

      Fellowship of Freethought Dallas and Free Thinker of FW do not have it listed as a Meetup this month. If you review the history of the past meetings at the Consortium they were specifically Christian, no atheist speaker invited. I am skeptical that Howell is committed to the agnostic/atheist case. If it's going to be a debate, I want a confirmed partisan representing me.

      July 27, 2014

  • Ben B

    Dr. Howell's subjective physicalism is too much like Cartesian Dualism for my taste. I don't think I would use his arguments to defend my agnostic/atheist outlook. I like my monism straight up, no beer chasers needed.

    Arbour is a Ph.D student at the University of Bristol and adjunct professor at Weatherford College. Who is responsible for the billing of these consortiums?

    I think this consortium needs a new name. They are the Bible, Free Thinkers and the Humanist are the beer, duh?

    July 24, 2014

    • Ben B

      Dr. Howell's 2013 book is titled "Consciousness and the Limits of Objectivity: The Case for Subjective". You can read a professional review of it at http://ndpr.nd.edu/ne...­.

      July 26, 2014

    • Ben B

      Instead of hoisting a few at the Live Oak, I think I'll watch "Human Consciousness BBC Documentary Mind Science" on YouTube. Why resort to philophical speculation to explain consciousness when science is giving us so much information in a concrete manner.

      July 27, 2014

  • Ben B

    I was visiting the Bible & Beer Consortium facebook page and everything there seems to says that it is sponsored by the Twelve48.org which appears to be a Christian Church organization. The only other sponsor in sight is a tobacco shop, yuck. They would have to put on some confirmed first rate atheist talent to get me into their bar church.

    July 27, 2014

  • John F.

    Really enjoyed the respectful and collegiate debate featuring our friend Zach Moore -- what food for thought! And I have no doubt that "Why Atheism/Christianity Provides..." will be just as stimulating. Hope to see my friends there!

    1 · July 19, 2014

    • John F.

      Bless you Sir!

      July 24, 2014

    • Ben B

      You're welcome and remember Darwin loves you.

      July 24, 2014

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