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It is my opinion due to several sources of information, that Cain is working with Romney and the GOP Establishment to cause a Romney win for the GOP Nomination. Maybe this wasn't the case from the beginning, but I strongly suspect it is now. I'm not alone in my suspicions, either. This is being discussed on Twitter and on other Conservative Blog sites. It is widely believed that we have a 3-man race between Romney, Perry and Cain, at this point. The Establishment GOP wants to pick the Nominee. They want to give us another McCain, namely Mitt Romney, whether we like it or not. Trouble is, Romney can't win, if the bulk of the Conservatives stick together on one Candidate. The Suspected GOP Plan is to keep a split in the Conservative vote between Perry and Cain. That will result in a victory for Romney, which is a victory for the Establishment who wants a RINO. They win, conservatives lose. I know that a lot of you have taken kindly to Cain. I'm sorry, but I think he's an incredibly good salesman and we are being tricked. He may have been serious in the beginning, but I think he's sold out. Perhaps because he knows he can't win, once the scrutiny comes to his Enron-like scandal. But that is a different discussion. I will just stick to the evidence that supports the suspicions of myself and many others. Here's my challenge to those who are inclined to disagree: Check this out. Prove me wrong. Or, at least, keep your eyes wide open. Please, don't blindly trust someone who is a very talented speaker. Verify. Consider that if I'm right, Cain has sold out and is a traitor to the Conservatives. And if Romney (and the establishment GOP) wins, don't be at all surprised when Cain is announced as his running mate. The Case: 1) Unusual and Unlikely Campaign Strategies and ActionsFrom A serious manBy Alexander Burns | 10/6/11 http://mobile.politic... Two major newspapers pick up on a theme today that First Read introduced earlier this week: Herman Cain isn’t running a particularly serious presidential campaign.
The former pizza executive insists that he’s in the 2012 race to win it, and his message is clearly resonating with quite a few Republican primary voters. But Cain is doing very little of the traditional work of mounting a White House bid.
That starts with his schedule, The New York Times notes:
[I]t is not clear that Mr. Cain, 65, has any particular plan to seize this moment, beyond using the attention to sell books. Like the other candidates vying to become credible alternatives to Mr. Romney and Mr. Perry, Mr. Cain is operating on a shoestring. He raised $2 million last spring. More money is coming in, he said, and he has 40 staff members, mostly in Southern states. Still, an adviser to the campaign said the campaign had only four people working in Iowa, and there is no plan to change strategy. …
When asked why he would launch a book tour while running for the presidential nomination, Mr. Cain said that “the two complement one another” and that the benefits go beyond raising his name recognition among voters — one of his main goals.
And The Wall Street Journal reports that the organizational issues run deeper:
Some former Cain campaign staffers say Mr. Cain appears to lack organizational focus. His campaign has no regular conference calls or team meetings, and it has lacked a campaign manager for much of his bid. …
"Organization was a real challenge," [former Cain adviser Matt] Murphy said. "New Hampshire is an ideal state for a candidate like him without a lot of name recognition or money for advertising. But his strategy has seemed more like a national campaign than a targeted, state-by-state local one."
Mr. Cain's latest book tour has raised those fears anew because it includes stops in states that don't vote early, like his coming visit to a Costco in suburban Virginia.
The underlying question here is whether Cain is running a bad campaign or whether he’d rather be famous than president. From Herman Cain leaving the campaign trail: Why now?By David Grant | Published Tue, Oct 4 2011 http://www.minnpost.c... The Hermantor Experience is, by almost any measure, the hottest thing going in the GOP presidential primary (not named Chris Christie).
As Decoder wrote last week, former Godfather’s Pizza CEO Herman Cain is romping in straw polls (Florida, and, this weekend, the National Federation of Republican Women), killing it on social media, climbing in at least one national poll, and promoting a new book. Columnists at the Wall Street Journal and the Washington Examiner have both given him love.
It’s momentum and recognition that the Rick Santorums and Jon Huntsmans of the GOP world must be lusting after.
But Cain seems destined to squander it. And here’s why.
As NBC’s thoughtful First Read points out this morning, Cain's promoting a book - and appears to be taking himself off the campaign trail for almost a month.
Cain won’t be back in the key state of Iowa until November. With all of the jiggering of the Republican primary calendar, that means he’ll have six weeks (at best) to pound the trail before the Iowa caucuses in early January.
Perhaps equally telling, Cain's well-regarded communications director and her deputy are both leaving the campaign, with the director headed to… run press operations for Louisiana Lt. Gov. Jay Dardenne in a tough primary election. That’s not exactly a vote of confidence in Cain’s presidential prospects.
Herman Cain's campaign isn’t dead by any means. But look at the difference between his campaign and that of Texas Congressman Ron Paul. With Paul rising in the polls, the congressman started cutting aggressive broadcast ads pounding Texas Gov. Rick Perry, among others, and hauling in campaign dollars. Paul’s got two events in New Hampshire today.
When you peel off the campaign trail for four weeks in the heat of the fight, it raises questions about just what the heck a candidate is doing in the race anyway. As Decoder previously wrote, all candidates not named Rick Perry or Mitt Romney have another goal in running for president to keep them going in the face of their slim poll numbers. For Ron Paul, it’s moving the national conversation toward his libertarian themes. For Jon Huntsman, it’s setting up a potential bid in 2016. For Michele Bachmann, it’s enshrining herself as a leading light of the GOP’s most hard-right members.
When you take yourself off the campaign trail just to flog a book, it raises the question: Why are you still around, Herman Cain? And what’s the real motive behind this run?
Edited by Joanne on Oct 9, 2011 12:33 AM
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Excerpts From A Candidate Writing His Own Campaign RulesBy SUSAN SAULNY Published: October 5, 2011 http://www.nytimes.co... Mr. Cain, a contender for the Republican presidential nomination, did all but one thing — campaign. Not in the traditional meet-the-public and kiss-the-babies sense, anyway.
And according to his public campaign calendar of events, where 19 of the 31 days of October are blank, there will not be much glad-handing in the immediate future. But it is not clear that Mr. Cain, 65, has any particular plan to seize this moment, beyond using the attention to sell books. Like the other candidates vying to become credible alternatives to Mr. Romney and Mr. Perry, Mr. Cain is operating on a shoestring. He raised $2 million last spring. More money is coming in, he said, and he has 40 staff members, mostly in Southern states. Still, an adviser to the campaign said the campaign had only four people working in Iowa, and there is no plan to change strategy.
Many Republicans doubt this will be enough to launch Mr. Cain in the crucial early states, especially if he decides to avoid retail politics.
“No candidate can afford to spend two or three weeks not being in New Hampshire this year,” said Steve Duprey, a Republican National Committee member from the state. “He has not made as much progress organizing in New Hampshire as he could have, but there’s time.” Another Related Article: Herman Cain communications director resignshttp://politicalticke...
Edited by Joanne on Oct 9, 2011 12:32 AM
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2) Attacks and Race Baiting directed at Rick Perry but no attacks or negativity toward Mitt RomneyKind of strange for someone who was in this to win. Romney is a much greater threat to Cain, at this point. And showing support for an Establishment RINO, like Romney, is inconsistent with calling yourself a conservative. Like him or not, Perry actually has a much more Conservative record and history than Romney does. From Cain open to VP offer from any Republican candidate except PerryBy Justin Sink - 10/06/11 03:14 PM ET http://thehill.com/bl... Herman Cain said Thursday that he would consider an invitation to join an eventual Republican presidential nominee as a vice presidential candidate — unless the nominee is Rick Perry.
Cain, who has tied for first or second in the latest round of national polls, said that while he continues to fight for the party’s nomination, he would definitely consider an invitation to join a national ticket in the No. 2 spot.
“I would not say no to being vice president of the United States,” Cain said. “But it would depend upon who got the nomination. I will support who gets the nomination. I know I have said that there are some people right now who I cannot support, but I wouldn’t say no to it. I could say yes. But it has to be someone who I believe I can complement them in their job by being able to bring my skills to the table.”
But, Cain told the National Journal, “Quite frankly, based upon Governor Perry’s position on some issues, I would not be comfortable being his vice presidential nominee.”
Cain said that while he hasn’t “totally gone through all of [Perry’s] positions, but a lot of positions I have questions with” including “being soft on the border, issues relative to tuition for children of illegal aliens.”
Cain criticized Perry earlier in the week for a racial epithet painted on a stone outside a hunting ranch the Texas governor used to attend.
Fellow GOP candidate Newt Gingrich said earlier Thursday morning that he would “seriously” consider a vice presidential offer.
“I would say to anybody, you owe it to the nominee to at least consider it seriously if they approach you,” Gingrich said on Fox News. “It’s not about your personal ambition. What is your duty as a citizen to the country?”
But, he added: “I am running to be president. I hope to be the presidential nominee. I hope to be offering the vice presidency to somebody as the nominee, not having it offered.” Interesting that Cain says Perry is "soft on border issues", as Perry has been very tough on the border issues and his record against illegal immigration is far better than that of Romney. From Herman Cain: I Endorse Mitt RomneyThursday, September 29th http://www.redstate.c... That’s not exactly what he said but that is what it amounted to.
Yesterday, Herman Cain, a contender for the GOP presidential nomination, announced that he would not support Texas Governor Rick Perry for president.
Herman Cain said Wednesday that he would be unable to support Rick Perry for president if the Texas governor were to eventually win the party’s nomination.
“Today, I could not support Rick Perry as the nominee for a host of reasons,” Cain said on CNN.
He cited specifically Perry’s support for in-state tuition breaks for the children of illegal immigrants.
This is little short of stunning considering Romney’s own turning a blind eye to “sanctuary cities” in Massachusetts.
Barring a deus ex machina type intervention the GOP nominee is going to be either Mitt Romney or Rick Perry. There is no doubt that Cain has gained some strength in the polls. Whether that strength is pro-Cain or a message being sent to the two front runners that they are inadequately conservative remains to be seen. Regardless, the candidates should not lose sight of the fact that the mission is to turf out Obama and his fellow travelers.
Even Mitt Romney, who also benefited from the endorsement of Tim Pawlenty when his campaign sputtered out, indicates he will support the eventual GOP nominee. Again from The Hill:
Other Republicans have shied away from similar statements, arguing that even a Republican with whom they have divergent views would be preferable to President Obama. Speaking at the Republican debate last weekend, Romney — responding to a question about which of his fellow panelists he might tap as vice president — said that any of his fellow candidates would qualify.
“You want someone who without question could become the president of the United States. These people could all fill that — that position. Any one of them would be a better president than what we have now,” Romney said.
Curiously, while Cain holds the decision by the Texas Legislature on in state tuition policy for illegal immigrants to be anathema he is unconcerned about Romney’s signature role in mucking up the Massachusetts health system so long as Romney promises to repeal ObamaCare.
Cain really needs to reconsider this comment. He’s bought a lot of good will in the GOP and the conservative movement. He has proven adept at articulating a conservative vision and in driving the nomination process in the correct direction. It is very difficult, however, to see a path to the nomination for him. It would be a shame to lose his voice if Rick Perry is nominated.
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2) Attacks and Race Baiting directed at Rick Perry but no attacks or negativity toward Mitt Romney continued...From Herman Cain: Maybe Obama Is Better Than Rick PerryThursday, October 6th http://www.redstate.c... Last week I posted a story titled Herman Cain: I Endorse Mitt Romney. I engendered some lively discussion mostly from Herman Cain fans who insisted that they could parse hidden meaning into his “Today, I could not support Rick Perry as the nominee for a host of reasons” statement.
To me, only reading English and being unable for a lot of reasons to establish a Vulcan mind meld with Mr. Cain, the statement was clear. He couldn’t support Governor Perry and Mitt Romney was in second place this was an endorsement of Romney.
Lest there be any doubt about what Mr. Cain meant, it was cleared up on Hugh Hewitt’s radio show today.
I did say, Hugh, that based upon Governor Perry’s positions on some of the things today like being soft on securing the border, providing tuition assistance for children of illegal aliens, I have a heart, but I happen to believe you cannot basically provide incentives for people to keep doing the same illegal behavior. And based upon a number of other things, I can’t support him today based upon his position on things. That being said, I don’t think he’s going to get the nomination. Now if it’s one of those other candidates up there, I am going to support them 100%. If Governor Perry gets the nomination, I will still support him, but it won’t be 100%. [emphasis mine]
So what support will he give Governor Perry? 90% 10%? 2%?
Why would he give Jon Huntsman or Ron Paul 100% support and not Governor Perry?
Why would Cain rather see Barack Obama have a second term than give Perry 100%?
Is it because he’s not a serious candidate and his sole purpose in the race was to help his old friend Mitt Romney who is now is on the verge of creating the same dilemma for himself that Zero Mostel faced in The Producers? From Cain Says He ‘Would Not Be Comfortable’ As Perry's Running MateBy Lindsey Boerma Updated: October 6, 2011 http://www.nationaljo... HOUSTON -- Republican presidential candidate Herman Cain said on Thursday that he would definitely consider an invitation to run as the eventual nominee’s vice president, except if the nominee turns out to be Texas Gov. Rick Perry.
Cain, who rocketed to the top tier of the GOP field in several recent polls, was asked by reporters on the campaign trail for his thoughts on a hypothetical invitation to run as the eventual nominee’s No. 2. After offering the obligatory comment that he intends to be the nominee, Cain said, “Quite frankly, based upon Governor Perry’s position on some issues, I would not be comfortable being his vice presidential nominee.”
Cain said his concerns about Perry include "being soft on the border, issues relative to tuition for children of illegal aliens." As governor, Perry supported legislation offering in-state college tuition for the children of illegal immigrants, which has become a flash point in the campaign. "And I haven’t totally gone through all of his positions, but a lot of positions I have questions with," Cain said.
Cain, who is black, was also critical of Perry after the Washington Post reported on Sunday that his family owned a Texas hunting camp once known as "Niggerhead," a word that was painted on a rock near the camp’s entrance. Perry has maintained that his father painted over the word as soon as he bought the property in the 1980s. And Cain subsequently said he believed Perry’s explanation.
Of a vice presidential slot in general, Cain said: "I would not say no to being vice president of the United States. But it would depend upon who got the nomination. I will support who gets the nomination. I know I have said that there are some people right now who I cannot support, but I wouldn’t say no to it. I could say yes. But it has to be someone who I believe I can complement them in their job by being able to bring my skills to the table." *Note: I haven't rested my case yet, more to come, so please check back in this thread. As always, please feel free to add your thoughts on this very important discussion that needs to be had.
Edited by Joanne on Oct 9, 2011 1:33 AM
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I don't know, Joanne, I just don't know. But let me say that I think it is very good to check all these things out. We have all been duped before. Could this be an "We want control back of our party" by the RNC? Considering the "Tea Party people" are accused of taking it over. The top of my red flags would be the sources of information - the first one here being NBC. I just don't trust them - maybe they want us to think these things so that we will fight Cain's nomination as they fear it? Just throwing that out there. And then redstate.com. I can't say I have a good feeling about any of the co-founders of redstate. But that is just my opinion. They are too connected with the RNC - why should we believe what they purport when they could very possibly be "in on" the subterfuge? Just a couple tidbits so you know why I don't trust them: Josh Trevino: "For the record, kids: that border should be open, open, open. But if you're going to check documents, don't be a fool about it." (Talking about the Mexican border) Ben Domenech: "Domenech resigned three days later after only six posts, after other bloggers posted evidence that Domenech had plagiarized work from the Washington Post, The New Yorker, humorist P. J. O'Rourke, and several other writers." Mike Krempasky: Vice President of Edelman (a global public relations firm). Edelman claims to have a commitment to "Global Citizenship". What is global citizenship...... http://depts.washingt... Just call me very wary. That is just what hit me immediately. I do wonder, though, about Cain's taking a month to promote his book. While it does sound strange, maybe it is a good strategy? This is the first I have heard of Cain being involved in an "Enron-type scandal"....I will have to check that out.
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Christine, I'm glad you're being skeptical. We need to be. That's why I say, prove me wrong. I'd love to be wrong but I don't think I am.
I think a lot of the info regarding what Cain is not doing, is pretty much hard to report incorrectly. That's why I posted more than one article. It's pretty clear he's not campaigning in a way that a candidate normally would and in a way that makes sense, if he's trying to win.
I'm sure Red State has had some bad people, but those people aren't the authors of what I posted, and I have found Red State to be an overall good source of info.
We NEED to know this, whether my suspicions are right or wrong. Yes, there are lots of rumors, but these rumors are well-substantiated by a lot of facts about Cain's behavior toward Perry and the way he is, or is not campaigning. This is way too important to just discount. I don't want 4, or more likely 8 years of a RINO President (Romney) who won't turn this Nation around.
Edited by Joanne on Oct 9, 2011 9:00 AM
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The Case (continued): more on #2 2) Attacks and Race Baiting directed at Rick Perry but no attacks or negativity toward Mitt RomneyFrom: Why is Herman Cain Using Rep. Plakon office to Relay Campaign Press Releases to the Media? Is Cain’s Campaign a Charade?Posted by arlenearmy on October 7, 2011 http://arlenearmy.wor... Why would a person who is running for the high office of the president of the United State use a congressional office to relay his or her CAMPAIGN press releases to the media? Reportedly, this is what GOP presidential candidate Herman Cain has done. I thought all campaign press releases were suppose to come directly from the candidate’s CAMPAIGN office/organization.
I don’t think Herman Cain has a “Real”campaign manager or an actual communications director. He may have named someone to those position to put on a legal application. But I suspect its a subterfuge. I would go so far to say that its doubtful he has a campaign organization. Why else would he go thru FL Rep. Scott Plakon office for them to relay press release to the media, on his behalf.
According to Miami Herald: “Cain’s campaign issued a statement through Longwood state Rep. Scott Plakon who said: “They’re out. Until Univision resolves this, he won’t participate in the debate like the other candidates.”
I can understand that Cain’s campaign communications director Ellen Carmichael quit. I can understand that this man is short of employees. I can even understand that he does not have the respectable amount of financial resources. But this business of him going thru a tax-payer funded congressional office to relay messages to the public is ridiculous and cheap.
Is Herman Cain’s candidacy a charade?
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The Case (continued): 3) Why won't Romney Criticize Herman Cain?Per polling, Cain is Romney's Biggest Threat. This fits right in with the theory that the two are working together, with the Establishment GOP. From: Romney avoids talking about Herman Cain's 'vulnerabilities'By Daniel Strauss - 10/07/11 http://thehill.com/bl... Former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney (R) refused to talk about opponent Herman Cain's vulnerabilities Friday.
In response to a question on Fox News's "Fox & Friends" about what Cain's vulnerabilities are, Romney said he wouldn't talk about Cain's weaknesses as a presidential candidate.
"Herman Cain's a good man and I respect him. I'm not going to look at his vulnerabilities. I'm going to talk about the things I need to do to make sure that my message is clear to the American people," Romney said Friday on Fox News.
Cain has recently experienced a surge in Republican primary polls and was the upset victor of a Florida straw poll in late September. While Romney has remained comfortably in the lead position or closely chasing Texas Gov. Rick Perry for the Republican presidential nomination, Cain was pegged early on as a long-shot candidate. But the former Godfather's Pizza CEO has done well in the last round of national polls.
Cain recently said he would be willing to accept the vice presidential nomination if it were offered to him.
"I would not say no to being vice president of the United States," Cain said.
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