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Re: [JapaneseSeattle] Can an adult really learn Japanese?

From: user 3.
Sent on: Tuesday, February 7, 2012 7:37 AM
It's not the alphabet system, it's that Japanese sentence structure has a different linguistic typology than English. English has a "Subject-Verb-Object­" typology while Japanese has a Subject-Object-Verb typology. To be honest, someone from Germany or any country whose language has that same typology would have a better time of learning Japanese than we would! (LOL)

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On Feb 7, 2012, at 1:26 AM, michael_98101 <[address removed]> wrote:

> Wow, thank you for all the responses.  I should probably clarify that I currently know *zero* Hiragana, except after today I can probably recognize the circle thing for "no."  So learning tools for absolute beginners in Hiragana are useful.
> 
> Interesting observations in the article Mike Ramirez linked:
> http://www.govtil...­
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> For an adult American, basic Japanese is over three times as hard as Spanish (2200 hours vs. 600)!
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>> "To get to the threshold level for most overseas jobs-requires a good learner starting from scratch in Spanish or Dutch about 600 hours of class-time, and almost the same outside of class in guided independent study.  To get to the same level in such languages as Thai, Hungarian, or Russian requires 1100 hours.  Japanese, Chinese, Korean or Arabic requires more than 2000 hours in class."
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> Adults who learn a second language in a classroom setting will find it easier to learn a third.  However, our bilingual kids won't find it any easier to become trilingual as adults:
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>> "bilingualism acquired naturally as a child does not, in and of itself, appear to aid in learning a third language in a classroom setting."
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> I'm wondering if this is also true for kids who are bilingual in say English and Vietnamese.  I would expect a Vietnamese speaker to learn Mandarin more easily since they're both tonal languages with some structural similarities.  My Japanese wife says Japanese people have no trouble learning Korean, so an English/Japanese speaking child should have an easy time learning Korean as an adult?
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> --Michael in Seattle
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> On Feb 6, 2012, at 4:45 PM, David Michael Ramirez II wrote:
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>> While we may have a lot of roadblocks, "time on task" is the #1
>> determinant of how proficient we can become in a language.  This
>> reading may be of help.
>> 
>> see: http://www.govtil...­
>> 
>> Mike Ramirez
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>> On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 4:19 PM, Mike Harris <[address removed]> wrote:
>>> Hiragana and katakana are intimidating at first its all about the approach... I would be more than happy to talk to you about learning H&K  and what my approach was.  I hate learning forma book and don't have Japanese friends... So my struggle to keep what I have learned has not been easy
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>>> Thank you
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>>> Mike Harris
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>>> On Feb 6, 2012, at 15:53, "Gerald F. Shields Jr." <[address removed]> wrote:
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>>> I don't know. It's been tough, but I'm starting to remember the basic stuff and I'm working on my Rosetta Stone program almost every day so it's possible.
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>>> On Feb 6, 2012, at 12:35 PM, michael_98101 <[address removed]> wrote:
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>>>> Thanks to her Japanese mom, my 2 year old daughter surpassed my extremely limited knowledge of Japanese a couple months ago.  Someone said I should start by learning hiragana.  I see that hiragana is already more complicated than the English alphabet, and is only one of the three writing systems used in Japanese.  But adults must be learning it somehow, I guess.  Any tips on how to make this less tedious and intimidating?
>>>> 
>>>> Yeah, I know about the meetups.  I haven't been coming to the meetups, partly because I don't think I've reached the bottom rung of the ladder yet.
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>>>> --Michael in Seattle
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