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Re: [jsmn] Worldwide Meteor Day event on Thursday - Just to stick my neck out there like a Thanksgiving turkey, I too would like to see the improved load times and interactivity with a single page site but also would like to have HTML prerendered.  Having these full stack JS frameworks, in Tyler A. Nov 6, 2014 1:51 PM
Re: [jsmn] Worldwide Meteor Day event on Thursday - prerender.io ALL the services doing it seem like shady likely-to-fail startup companies, but at least the code behind prerender.io is open source, so we Dan M. Nov 6, 2014 1:33 PM
Free Tickets to Next Friday's SMACSS Workshop (Scalable Modular Architecture for CSS) - Jonathan Snook, author of Scalable Modular Architecture for CSS book and famous CSS master, will be here in Burnsville MN on November 14th -- next Friday! Marc G. Nov 6, 2014 1:32 PM
Re: [jsmn] Worldwide Meteor Day event on Thursday - @Dan how are you implementing the HTML snapshots for the _escaped_fragment_ requests today? On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 1:25 PM, Dan Menssen < Kevin W. Nov 6, 2014 1:30 PM
Re: [jsmn] Worldwide Meteor Day event on Thursday - Sorry, that was a snarky way of saying "just render everything on the server," "Rails app" being shorthand for "the way people used to do it before full stack Javascript frameworks." Dan M. Nov 6, 2014 1:24 PM
Re: [jsmn] Worldwide Meteor Day event on Thursday - I misremembered, the presentation was talking about Gov.uk, not BBC (BBC was another example for PE). Here's the blog post from the team: Kamran A. Nov 6, 2014 1:21 PM
Re: [jsmn] Worldwide Meteor Day event on Thursday - " If you're one of the few edge cases where this is really an issue, just build a Rails app or whatever." James G. Nov 6, 2014 1:16 PM
Re: [jsmn] Worldwide Meteor Day event on Thursday - I'm reading The Leprechauns of Software Engineering  right now, which might be predisposing me to try to attack these empirical claims, so bear with me. First, on t Dan M. Nov 6, 2014 1:03 PM
Re: [jsmn] Worldwide Meteor Day event on Thursday - @Kamran that seems to be a common approach- would make an amazing presentation at the meetup! On Thursday, November 6, 2014, Kamran Ayub < [address removed] > wrote: Kevin W. Nov 6, 2014 8:48 AM
RE: Re: [jsmn] Worldwide Meteor Day event on Thursday - Hi guys, We use PhantomJS to snapshot our pages after googlebot attempts to index. We ad Kamran A. Nov 6, 2014 7:29 AM
Re: [jsmn] Worldwide Meteor Day event on Thursday - The primary win beyond making it possible for bots to crawl your site without added complexity is making initial page loads faster.  This is a big deal for content you want to be discovered from search. The time it takes to load the p Kevin W. Nov 6, 2014 6:37 AM
Re: Re: [jsmn] Worldwide Meteor Day event on Thursday - body{font-family:Helvetica,Arial;­font-size:13px} Paul J D. Nov 5, 2014 9:57 PM
Re: Re: [jsmn] Worldwide Meteor Day event on Thursday - I'm having a hard time following why you really need the server side rendering. The deep linking problem is solvable with front-end code only. If the URL is the primary holder of truth for the UI state (Angular and Em Dan M. Nov 5, 2014 9:54 PM
Re: Re: [jsmn] Worldwide Meteor Day event on Thursday - If a set of rich client technologies exist that gracefully handle server-side rendering I will happily use them. I don't see evidence that such a stack exists, however. To render HTML on the server with cod Kevin W. Nov 5, 2014 8:13 PM
Re: Re: [jsmn] Worldwide Meteor Day event on Thursday - body{font-family:Helvetica,Arial;­font-size:13px} Paul J D. Nov 5, 2014 6:00 PM
Re: Re: [jsmn] Worldwide Meteor Day event on Thursday - If we back the truck all the way up, here's what I wish I had in a framework: - Makes the URL the primary holder of truth for the state of the UI (like Ember) - uses the same routing scheme and rendering mec Kevin W. Nov 5, 2014 5:32 PM
Re: Re: [jsmn] Worldwide Meteor Day event on Thursday - Hey All, Running TrackJS , Todd H G. Nov 5, 2014 4:27 PM
Re: [jsmn] Worldwide Meteor Day event on Thursday - If it makes any difference, Google will "soon" be executing your javascript  (see caveats and description at the Adam T. Nov 4, 2014 1:51 PM
Re: [jsmn] Worldwide Meteor Day event on Thursday - Kevin -- Have you tried prerender.io ? Sincerely,     James Greene James G. Nov 4, 2014 1:45 PM
Re: [jsmn] Worldwide Meteor Day event on Thursday - The use case is geared around reference documentation, so SEO is a top of mind concern. Currently we're using Backbone (and Marionette) on the front end, which is fine, but we're having a hell of a time getting deeper content in the Kevin W. Nov 4, 2014 1:20 PM
Re: [jsmn] Worldwide Meteor Day event on Thursday - As of yet, Meteor doesn't support server-side rendering, though it's on the roadmap for 1.1: https://trello.com/c/Lz07fBAm/­7-server-side-rendering Tim Nov 4, 2014 12:00 PM
Re: [jsmn] Worldwide Meteor Day event on Thursday - Not out of the box. Fast render is a good plugin, but I am not sure if that’s what you are really looking for.  Depends on why you need server side rendering. ht Alan P. Nov 4, 2014 11:57 AM
Re: [jsmn] Worldwide Meteor Day event on Thursday - Meteor tech question - how well does meteor work for rendering the same templates either client- or server-side?  I am looking at rendering Backbone with rendr or React, but I vaguely thought meteor was kind of built for this. Kevin W. Nov 4, 2014 11:45 AM
Worldwide Meteor Day event on Thursday - Hey all! One of our sibling groups, Meteor Minneapolis, is hosting a special event this Thursday as part of the international "Worldwide Meteor 1.0 Day" series of event James G. Nov 4, 2014 9:20 AM
WebRatio Mobile Beta Program - Hi everybody, It’s been a pleasure meeting y Emanuele M. Nov 3, 2014 4:15 PM
Re: [jsmn] Professional E&O insurance - Susan is cool. And that is $1600 less than my policy cost that I started last year (it covered two people though). Very helpful information, thanks Susan! -Erik Erik M. Nov 3, 2014 10:52 AM
Re: [jsmn] MDC 2014 Talk on TypeScript - Very inspirational talk. On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 12:37 PM, Kamran Ayub < [address removed] > CT Y. Nov 1, 2014 4:19 PM
Re: [jsmn] Professional E&O insurance - And yes, if it wasn't clear Susan is a long-time FOTMUG (Friend of the MeetUp Group, pronounced FAHT-mug) with long service to all of us. Her intent was clearly just to provide useful information. Kevin W. Oct 28, 2014 5:07 PM
Re: [jsmn] Professional E&O insurance - I'm pretty sure the conversation this email has sparked represents the bulk of all email I have received from this group for the past three months. The list is fine, the group is fine, Kevin your doing great, all is good, nothing to see Randall M. Oct 28, 2014 4:01 PM
Re: [jsmn] Professional E&O insurance - I didn't think it was spam, that's why I didn't say anything. A majority of us read what's going on, make a mental note, and not really post back to a large list of folks. Lurkers you might call us. Mailing lists aren't Seth M. Oct 28, 2014 3:38 PM
Re: [jsmn] Professional E&O insurance - I have been meaning to set up separate lists for some time. Anyone interested in volunteering to help get that set up? On Tuesday, October 28, 2014, Collin Graves < [address removed] > w Kevin W. Oct 28, 2014 3:26 PM
Re[2]: [jsmn] Professional E&O insurance - Susan's email was far from spam, and probably the reason the majority of the subscribers on this list are here to begin with. -Collin Tuesday, October 28, 2014, 8:17 AM -0500 from Will Buck <william.parker.buck@ Collin G. Oct 28, 2014 10:42 AM
Re: [jsmn] Professional E&O insurance - For anyone thinking a post from Susan might be spam, take a chance to shake her hand at the next meetup (she'll likely be handing out beer.) Susan ( https://www.linkedin. Eric C. Oct 28, 2014 8:56 AM
Re: [jsmn] Professional E&O insurance - Hate to pile on to the 'spam' (set filters for your meetup emails, y'all!), but even though I'm not an indie I thought this email was reasonably appropriate.  It seemed to me like an earnest recommendatio Will B. Oct 28, 2014 8:17 AM
Re: [jsmn] Professional E&O insurance - We had E and O coverage 20 years ago and it was costly at time. IBM required it. This is M A a. Oct 28, 2014 2:34 AM
Re: [jsmn] Professional E&O insurance - Previously there have been discussions about professional services aimed at independent developers after said developers have asked the group for referrals. However, unsolicited offers like this one are kind of spammy and should probably no Kevin W. Oct 27, 2014 4:17 PM
Re: [jsmn] Professional E&O insurance - is spam like this common in this group? On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 3:18 PM, susan < [address removed] TinyJ Oct 27, 2014 3:23 PM
Professional E&O insurance - Preview not available susan g. Oct 27, 2014 3:18 PM
REMINDER: Meetup is **Wednesday** at CoCo in Uptown - Hey team, Just a quick reminder that this month's meetup has a new day and time! We are meeting at the CoCo space in Uptown starting at 6pm on Wednesday. It's a really cool spot, I hope you can join us to check it Kevin W. Oct 27, 2014 10:28 AM
JavaScript dev opening at TIES - My team ("edSpring") at TIES just opened a new JavaScript Developer position. Skills: We're seeking someone with strong frontend JS skills. Experience wi James G. Oct 9, 2014 9:37 AM
Re: [jsmn] Indie Dev Accountant? - Thanks for the tips everyone! I have quite a few replies, probably more than I can handle :) Happy to send that to anyone else when I get it sorted tomorrow (in addition to those few that already asked) Matt On Oct 7, 2014, at 5:39 PM, Matthew Le Matthew L. Oct 7, 2014 8:47 PM
Re: [jsmn] Indie Dev Accountant? - I have been using LOTTSA for 18 years, I recommend them very highly. lottsa.com Lynn Oct 7, 2014 6:36 PM
Re: [jsmn] Indie Dev Accountant? - I’d check with HR Block in the Sprucetree building at Snelling and Kyle M. Oct 7, 2014 5:43 PM
Indie Dev Accountant? - Hey all, I moved here last year and haven't found myself a local accountant/tax person, does anyone have recommendations? I'm looking to go the independent contractor/consultant LLC route and make sure everything is squared away. Near the St. Paul side Matthew L. Oct 7, 2014 5:38 PM
MDC 2014 Talk on TypeScript - Hey JSMNers, if you have interest in learning a bit about TypeScript and how it could help you (or what it's even about), I gave a talk at Minnesota Dev Conference a couple weeks ago on "Demystifying TypeScript." I got some gr Kamran A. Oct 7, 2014 11:58 AM
Javascript TDD Course! - Preview not available susan g. Oct 2, 2014 10:35 AM
2-Day Workshop on JavaScript: Fundamentals to Functional JS - Hey JSMN'rs, We're holding our 30th Frontend Masters workshop here in Burnsville!  Marc G. Oct 1, 2014 12:19 PM
October Speaker - Hey team, We're looking for another speaker for this month - if you have some science you'd like to drop on the group, please contact me directly (e.g. do not reply to this message) at kevin.whinnery at gmail. Kevin W. Oct 1, 2014 11:05 AM
ROBOTS! Next Wednesday at DevJam - susan g. Sep 25, 2014 7:06 PM
Don't forget to bring your hacks - R emember that you all are the show tonight at the meetup - bring a hack to share if you can!  See everyone in a bit... -- Kevin W. Sep 25, 2014 4:15 PM
Be a MinneWebCon 2015 Speaker! - Hey JSMN friends, you should speak at MinneWebCon 2015. http://minnewebcon.org/speak/ The call for session proposals is open until October 10. Zachary J. Sep 24, 2014 1:41 PM
RE: [jsmn] mentoring the next generation - David H. Sep 2, 2014 9:23 AM
Re: [jsmn] mentoring the next generation - And my FIRST Lego League teams in Minnetonka are looking for a few more kids interested in robotics! http://abamath.com/collections­/robotic Luke Sep 2, 2014 9:20 AM
Re: [jsmn] mentoring the next generation - body{font-family:Helvetica,Arial;­font-size:13px} Josh M. Sep 2, 2014 9:15 AM
mentoring the next generation - Hey everyone, While my daughter and I were at the STE Chad W. Sep 2, 2014 9:03 AM
Database developer position - Not exactly a Javascript required position, but it would help: The Division of Cardiovascular Medicine at the University of Minnesota is looking for Greg M. S. Aug 19, 2014 6:02 PM
Re: [jsmn] Job posting - As a refresher, our job posting policy is: - If you're a first party (dev seeking devs) you are welcome to post those types of jobs to the list - If you are a recruiter, you are only able to share jobs in pe Kevin W. Aug 19, 2014 5:23 PM
Job posting - Hello everyone, My name is David Pett and I am the Director of Front End Development at Digitaria. I wish my schedule allowed for me to attend the meetups, but I do follow the discussions on this list. David P. Aug 19, 2014 3:22 PM
RE: [jsmn] August Presenter - Kevin Hakanson had expressed interest earlier. Sincerely,     James Greene     Sent from my [smart?]phone On Aug 12,[masked]:26 PM, "Scott Silvi" < James G. Aug 12, 2014 3:56 PM
RE: [jsmn] August Presenter - Ugh. Sorry all. Got interrupted mid-reply & forgot to ch Scott S. Aug 12, 2014 3:26 PM
RE: [jsmn] August Presenter - Hey dude - I'm giving a deep-dive i Scott S. Aug 12, 2014 2:57 PM
August Presenter - Hey team, Looking for an August presenter - please reply to me directly (i.e. not the whole list please) if you're interested in presenting. Thanks, -Kevin Kevin W. Aug 12, 2014 2:20 PM
Upcoming JS.Next: ES6 Workshop - Hey Fellow JSMN'rs, Marc G. Aug 4, 2014 3:33 PM
Re: [jsmn] Re: Vegetarian and GF folks - what are your favorites? - If I went to a barbeque and there was no meat, I would say 'Yo Goober! Where's the meat?'. Eric Jul 31, 2014 2:35 PM
Re: [jsmn] Re: Vegetarian and GF folks - what are your favorites? - Hey all, 1.) Thanks for all the food ideas! I think I have some good leads for future meetings. 2.) The Meetup.com mailing list for the group right now is the only communication channel we have. I Kevin W. Jul 31, 2014 1:54 PM
Re: [jsmn] Build me up Buttercup - Andrew R. Jul 31, 2014 12:20 PM
Re: [jsmn] Build me up Buttercup - Grunt Grunt Grunt for me. As for ES6 in particular, have you looked at JSPM?   http://jspm.io/ Sincerely,     James Greene James G. Jul 31, 2014 11:30 AM
Re: [jsmn] Build me up Buttercup - I started digging into all 3 of those task runners you mentioned, Grunt/Gulp/Broccoli, and came to the conclusion that they're all just fine and can accomplish what I need them to.  I spent a small amount of time trying to discern whic Max T. Jul 31, 2014 11:28 AM
Re: [jsmn] Build me up Buttercup - Grunt is great. I was thinking about starting to adopt ES6 and was suggested to use Gulp for the JS processing on the fly since it is way fast, but still use Grunt for build tasks. Anyone started using ES6 much? I’ll be talking about our “sta Alan P. Jul 31, 2014 11:24 AM
Build me up Buttercup - Hey y'alls, If you want to shift gears, let's talk about builds. Tell me about how you build your vegetarian sandwich. j/k :D There has been a lot of talk about grunt/gulp/brocolli/whatevs in meetups, but nothing too specific for what people are usi Matthew L. Jul 31, 2014 11:08 AM
Beeminder (was Re: [jsmn] Re: Vegetarian and GF folks - what are your favorites?) - Nice seque, Kyle!  (and I agree with your inclusiveness comment) Perhaps you want to c Wade S. Jul 31, 2014 10:27 AM
Re: [jsmn] Re: Vegetarian and GF folks - what are your favorites? - body{font-family:Helvetica,Arial;­font-size:13px} Paul J D. Jul 31, 2014 10:15 AM
Re: [jsmn] Re: Vegetarian and GF folks - what are your favorites? - I can respect the desire to keep the JSMN list more focused to JS topics, but I agree w/ Alan personally: this is a community as much as it is a JS learning / discussion area, and I'm always interested to learn more about the community Will B. Jul 31, 2014 10:07 AM
Re: [jsmn] Re: Vegetarian and GF folks - what are your favorites? - Kevin, thanks again for starting this conversation. I appreciate it and it makes it more likely that I'm finally going to attend a meeting. -Erik Erik M. Jul 31, 2014 10:05 AM
Re: [jsmn] Re: Vegetarian and GF folks - what are your favorites? - On Thu, Jul 31, 2014, at 09:50 AM, Alan Palazzolo wrote: > I personally love this conversation. This is an in-person community > which > means food is often a large part of how we interact. And there are > plenty > of more direct JS discussions tha Tony C Jul 31, 2014 10:03 AM
Re: [jsmn] Re: Vegetarian and GF folks - what are your favorites? - (Inclusiveness is key to a good community. Let’s combine thes Kyle M. Jul 31, 2014 9:58 AM
Re: [jsmn] Re: Vegetarian and GF folks - what are your favorites? - I personally love this conversation.  This is an in-person community which means food is often a large part of how we interact.  And there are plenty of more direct JS discussions that I don’t care about and find irrelevant. Alan P. Jul 31, 2014 9:49 AM
Re: [jsmn] Re: Vegetarian and GF folks - what are your favorites? - You are most definitely correct and I apologize for having just added more distraction to the mix. Wade S. Jul 31, 2014 9:38 AM
Re: [jsmn] Re: Vegetarian and GF folks - what are your favorites? - Also consider Middle Eastern, a lot which is vegan: falafel, hummus, babaghanoush, grape leaves. Wade S. Jul 31, 2014 9:29 AM
RE: [jsmn] Re: Vegetarian and GF folks - what are your favorites? - body{font-family:Helvetica,Arial;­font-size:13px} ChriShawn L. Jul 31, 2014 9:24 AM
Re: [jsmn] Re: Vegetarian and GF folks - what are your favorites? - On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 9:13 AM, Damian Pound (Chinoto) < [address removed] > wrote: James G. Jul 31, 2014 9:21 AM
RE: [jsmn] Re: Vegetarian and GF folks - what are your favorites? - Matt W. Jul 31, 2014 9:20 AM
Re: Vegetarian and GF folks - what are your favorites? - DOH! I ended up sending this to info@m Damian Pound (. Jul 31, 2014 9:13 AM
Re: [jsmn] Vegetarian and GF folks - what are your favorites? - Chipotle is vegan friendly minus cheese, sour cream, and meat.  It is gluten free without the flour tortilla (corn taco or bowl). http: Jordan M. Jul 29, 2014 2:04 PM
Re: [jsmn] Vegetarian and GF folks - what are your favorites? - I believe Common Roots caters. Their food is amazing, and I'm fairly sure they can handle GF/Vegan requests. Bit spendy, though, from what I understand. James Jul 29, 2014 2:03 PM
Re: [jsmn] Vegetarian and GF folks - what are your favorites? - We're getting Dominos for AngularMN and offering some veg-only, and GF-crust pizza w/o cheese. The GF crust pizza isn't anything special, but on a budget its an option. I always went for asian food as a vegetarian Will B. Jul 29, 2014 2:02 PM
Re: [jsmn] Vegetarian and GF folks - what are your favorites? - This place just opened up, and it looks like they do catering:  http://agra-culture.com/cateri­ng/ -Erik Erik M. Jul 29, 2014 1:53 PM
Re: [jsmn] Vegetarian and GF folks - what are your favorites? - Preview not available Tony C Jul 29, 2014 1:49 PM
Vegetarian and GF folks - what are your favorites? - Hey all, I am doing some leg work on vegetarian and gluten free catering options here in the Twin Cities.  As I compile some options, I would love recommendations from any members on the list who have had positive experi Kevin W. Jul 29, 2014 1:44 PM
Re: [jsmn] Is inefficiency common? - Well, I also simplified the explanation a bit. Parts of the page are broken up into modules, and on events certain modules can ask themselves to re-render themselves (or to render new children, etc), and in those cases the html is sent back Chad W. Jul 22, 2014 10:57 AM
Re: [jsmn] Is inefficiency common? - Chad Walker: To me that makes sense, making javascript handle building an entire page is a lot Damian Pound (. Jul 22, 2014 9:08 AM
Re: [jsmn] Is inefficiency common? - So, there's a few things that I wanted to mention here: 1) Over the wire bytes is not the only measure of performance.  Parsing JSON and building DOM objects off of it is not free, and especially on mobile, processing like that Adam N. Jul 22, 2014 7:58 AM
Re: [jsmn] Is inefficiency common? - s/things of things/things on the server/ also technical debt is often hard to pay down -chad On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at Chad W. Jul 21, 2014 4:05 PM
Re: [jsmn] Is inefficiency common? - Hi I'm new to the list (moving to mpls next month), but I have a small example that I can share. My startup is just about 2.5 years old, node on the backend. It's a single-page app type design, and each client has Chad W. Jul 21, 2014 4:00 PM
Re: [jsmn] Is inefficiency common? - I've been lurking the past couple of days just to see what people had to say, that and I've ju Damian Pound (. Jul 21, 2014 12:06 PM
Re: [jsmn] Is inefficiency common? - I don't think the debate was centered around "why" it's better to use JSON, just why some huge sites still push HTML. Scott S. Jul 20, 2014 10:51 AM
Re: [jsmn] Is inefficiency common? - I'm not sure I saw the biggest point for passing JSON data over the wire (in my opinion)... When I write an AJAX web app, Brendan P. Jul 20, 2014 8:43 AM
Re: Is inefficiency common? - I like this thread! I really dig the reasoned and mature responses, and different takes on the question. Zachary J. Jul 19, 2014 7:05 PM
Re: [jsmn] Is inefficiency common? - Let they who have never pushed a kludge into production cast the first stone - it goes without saying that I will be throwing zero stones :) On Fri, Jul 18, 2014 at 3:12 PM, Dom Kevin W. Jul 18, 2014 5:14 PM
Re: [jsmn] Is inefficiency common? - Having worked their before, the best insight I can offer is it's important to remember that Meetup is a lot older than most think. There's code lying around from 2003, and being only recently profitable, technical debt wasn't a big priority Dominic Jul 18, 2014 3:11 PM

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