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Re: [KC-Midtown-FreeThinkers] Dear Religion

From: Josh H.
Sent on: Friday, August 10, 2012 2:48 PM
In response to the firebrand, I'll play the role of the diplomat. :-P

I agree with Iggy. I think the reason why there are evils in the world that could be solve have a number of problems - selfishness and greed among them and sometimes logistical impossibilities, and that's only off the top of my head. We have plenty of people who want to do good, with or without religion, by volunteering at food banks, donating blood, and supporting organizations.

A big problem for me is that I have to earn a living - I have to feed myself, keep myself clothed (in swanky atheist shirts, sure), and my creature comforts - the book collection I have, the two dogs I have as surrogate kids, my TV, my movie collection, and other things. If I could maintain a lifestyle with which I am comfortable and leave my current job to spend all day, say, sorting food at Harvester's or donating blood, I would.

The love you describe is there; it's just limited by the pragmatic and, quite honestly, sometimes unfair reality we live in.

On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 2:39 PM, Kansas City Skeptic <[address removed]> wrote:
Fred wrote>>>Jesus, who told me to love my neighbor as myself and even to love my enemies, gives me the motivation to implement them.


Come on, do you really "love your neighbor?" - I bet you don't even know the names of the people living across the street from you. At some point you need to start living in the real world. Do you really "love" a person who is driving in the car in front, behind or to the side of you on I-35? Come on!

If not "love", they you have made up stuff and pretend to know what you don't know and infuse "love" with some other totally non sensical meanings. "God must have loved you before you knew it" is such a cop out.

What gives people in highly secular countries (Europe, Japan and including Canada) who don't have Jesus as motivation a reason to get up, go to work, do things, enjoy poetry, music, sunset, walk on the beach, etc. Jesus still motivates them through telepathic means and they are not aware of it or deliberately chose not to be aware? By what mechanism is Jesus exerting his unseen influence over them and how can it be tested?

Or using a very simple rule of parsimony, your Jesus was full of shit and a cult leader 2,000 years ago and though his cult enjoyed a rather spectacular rise, there is an inevitable fall in sight and more and more people don't need his fairy tales anymore to find "the motivation" and "treat others as you'd like to be treated yourself".

Why make it so complicated, Fred?

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