Re: [Kauai-adventure-club] I have started a new meetup group for fresh start. Will continue here until all RSVP's are honored.

From: Lisa
Sent on: Thursday, October 31, 2013 1:20 PM
don't know what all has been happening here, not very active in this group, but, i did get involved because of Loren and really like the few things we did together...
I'll see you around

 
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On Thursday, October 31,[masked]:00 PM, Nancy Noble <[address removed]> wrote:
Thanks for sharing Chris!  I couldn't agree more with you!!  I love spending time with Loren and hearing about his adventures and the time he spends organizing and accommodating people is amazing!  I never felt obligated to buy lunch or pay for golf....I felt honored to do it as he was sharing the island with this cold worn Canadian!  I will definitely be going with new group when I arrive in January.

Nancy
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On Oct 31, 2013, at 4:28 PM, Chris <[address removed]> wrote:

He's named it "Kaua'i Adventure Club II".


On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 3:54 PM, Mark N ..Extra Average Boy <[address removed]> wrote:
Where is his new club?? Sign me up!!



On Oct 31, 2013, at 1:55 PM, Chris wrote:

Loren,

You will be missed by many of us, who do not believe your ostracization from the group is well founded.  As the leader of this group for many years, you took it from its infancy, with few members, to huge; and now some have turned against you, and forced you out.  It should be made clear to all: starting a new group was neither your idea or choice.

When I first met you back in 2010, and realized what you did with nearly no means to retire here, and that your idea of the meetup group as a way to help you and others canoe, fish, golf, and hike while meeting some your expenses for those activities (not "run a tour business for profit" as many have condemned), I thought "this guy is brilliant.  

When I'm on the island, without my family, they feel best if I find somebody to hike with.  Most every KAC hike that I've been on was led by you.    Lunch?  No problem.  It's the least I can do.  I enjoy your company.  I bet a majority of folks... especially short-term visitors from the mainland... feel the same way.  I'm sure there are exceptions, but outnumbered by those who have enjoyed themselves adventuring on Kaua'i's trails and rivers safely guided under your leadership (of hundreds of adventures throughout the years).  

When I'm busy working and my family is here, they've also enjoyed your adventures.  My youngest son has a fond memory of volunteering with you at the NTBG... where he thinks he might have picked a few weeds, but spent most of the day being over-fed, molly-coddled, and given tours of the grounds no tourist ever sees.

When folks initially complained, you were right to modify your profile to "gratuities accepted"... it was honest and set expectations somewhat correctly ("gratuities" is a poor choice of words for this case, but short and simple); I wish you hadn't been forced to remove that.  I thought that, or something similar, was an amicable solution.  It helps newbies differentiate between those that would like help with gas from those unconcerned.  Conversely, I don't believe anybody else has been forced, in their profile, to fess-up/come-clean to any ulterior motives.

You are a good person.  There isn't anybody I've talked to who will say otherwise.  They may find your lack of means and "Plan C" to be distasteful for them, but they can't fault you as a good and honest person.

For those of us who appreciate what you've done... this is not a farewell.  I'm sure once the KAC calendar empties of all the adventures you schedule, there will be many converts to your new club.  I'm not sure the rest of us can fill the void with actual adventuresome events (and golf), as you have.

Good luck with the new group.  See you there,

Chris
P.S. After writing this, "Harper Valley PTA" starts playing in my head... it's been 50 years since I last thought of that tune.


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