Using agile with external teams

Booking for this meetup opens on Tuesday 25 June at 8pm

 

How well does agile/Scrum work when you are working with third parties? Does the lack of a contract cause problems? Do estimates cause friction when they don't turn out as expected? How can you ensure that using agile with external teams works as well as when using it with internal teams?

 

The event will be held in the upstairs room at The Plumbers Arms. The sessions are informal and we are happy for you to eat the pub grub / drink during the meetup (the pies are pretty nice).

The pub's site gives directions: http://www.taylor-walker.co.uk/pub/plumbers-arms-belgravia/c0685/

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  • @sleepyfox

    To follow up on Agile Contracts:

    From Craig Larman's book, the Agile Contracts chapter is here: http://www.agilecontracts.org/

    Allan Kelly (active here in London on the Agile scene) has an article on InfoQ on Agile contracts here: http://www.infoq.com/articles/agile-contracts

    Most useful is Alistair Cockburn's page on Agile Contracts: http://alistair.cockburn.us/Agile+contracts
    This includes examples and a some interesting discussion too.

    Finally, if you're working in the Public sector, you'll want to read this:
    http://agile.civilservice.gov.uk/2012/08/09/from-the-agile-manifesto-to-evolutionary-contract-models/

    July 10, 2013

  • Nick H.

    Good small group that discussed and shared experiences of getting external teams - be they distributed internal or external vendor - incorporated into agile developments. Enjoyed the company and very informative

    July 10, 2013

  • A former member
    A former member

    Unfortunately the link to '10 Contracts for your next software project' is dead. http://agilesoftwaredevelopment.com/blog/peterstev/10-agile-contracts. The site http://agilesoftwaredevelopment.com is still active but all of their content is missing, hopefully this is a temporary glich.

    July 10, 2013

  • A former member
    A former member

    My notes part 2 of 2

    Video conferencing
    • Meeting rooms are hard
    • Try web cams
    • Try Google hangouts
    • Paid Skype good; but not often accepted by company IT departments
    • Due to complexity of video, most end up using phone/audio
    • Permanent always on tele-presence using Vidyo.

    Jira tool of choice for distributed planning

    Read Martin fowler blog on distributed agile Key success factors
    • Understanding culture
    • Builiding trust
    • Building relationships
    • Staff must be focused on 1 (maybe 2 projects)

    1 · July 10, 2013

  • A former member
    A former member

    My notes part 1 ...

    Distributed Agile can work, but it does not always work!

    Trust is crucial!

    Cultural differences create complexity, both country/geographic and company culture. I.e. ‘never saying no’, ‘blaming others’. Hofstead study explains cultural differences Tips for building relationships and trust
    • Increase the travel budget
    • Involve them in daily stand ups
    • Co-locate for several weeks at the starta, also try the reverse.
    • Print faces of other team and put them there near task board.
    • Staff rotation- 1 month stint every 12 months

    July 10, 2013

  • Lynn (Myrick) R.

    As promised, I have located the research paper I mentioned about European differences among managers. This one focuses on MBTI type distribution. I found it very helpful; here's a link:

    http://www.ashridge.org.uk/website/IC.nsf/wFARATT/MBTI%20Research%20into%20Distribution%20of%20Type%20%282nd%20edition%29/$file/MBTIResearchIntoDistribution2.pdf

    1 · July 10, 2013

  • A former member
    A former member

    It re-enforced a lot of what I had read and explained it with real world examples from people lives, which was great. I also learnt a lot of new information and brought it together into a few key points that I can now take away and use. Again it was a pity that out of 25 RSVP only 13 attended. I am sure that we could have learnt more if we had a full house.

    July 10, 2013

    • @sleepyfox

      Sadly this is a problem with every meetup in London that I regularly attend, this meetup isn't unique in that regard. The Guardian ran an article a couple of months ago about how we are a nation of people who can't commit to anything!

      July 10, 2013

  • Ravi

    Sorry i'm not going to be able to make it today.

    July 9, 2013

  • Rob D.

    Still in Holborn for a while, so won't be dead on time either sorry.

    July 9, 2013

  • Angie V.

    So sorry, I'm not well enough to come tonight. I'm really disappointed - this looked really useful. Next time!

    July 9, 2013

  • James S.

    I'm stuck at work so not likely to get there until 830pm at the earliest unfortunately. James

    July 9, 2013

  • Dan B.

    Plans have changed around me, I'm afraid. See you next time if I can.

    July 9, 2013

  • Eugene van der M.

    Pardon about late notice change, I cannot get out of a US conf call.

    July 9, 2013

  • A former member
    A former member

    Sorry, something has come up. Looking forward to the next one.

    July 9, 2013

  • Jodi W.

    I'm unwell at the moment so can't attend. Hope you have a good discussion!

    July 9, 2013

  • A former member
    A former member

    looking forward to it

    July 9, 2013

  • Myriam H.

    I'm so sorry I have to drop out today; I'm not feeling very well. Sorry to miss this one, it's very interesting topic. Hope you guys have a good time

    July 9, 2013

  • Jo

    Unfortunately have to cancel now due to other engagement

    July 8, 2013

  • Jo

    Have worked with development teams based in India

    July 4, 2013

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