Debate: "There is no longer a need for a Product Owner"

Product Owners, in Scrum, own the product backlog, decide on the priority of the backlog based on knowledge of business value, and provide support to the team and answer any questions relating to requirements. But, if the team is established, do we really need them? Tonight we will form two teams to argue each side of thinking.


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The event will be held in the upstairs room at The Plumbers Arms. The sessions are informal and we are happy for you to eat the pub grub / drink during the meetup (the pies are pretty nice).

The pub's site gives directions: http://www.taylor-walker.co.uk/pub/plumbers-arms-belgravia/c0685/

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  • Pawel K.

    I really enjoyed the debate and valid arguments were presented from both sides. I am sorry if i did not make my team proud ;) but It is always a pleasure to be a part of a heated discussion... For me the bigger question is "Would we like to have a PO working with us in 5 years from now..." and if the answer is no... then we should start searching for the root causes of why he/she is the part of the team now so we can sort those causes earlier rather then later ;)

    I also liked the quote from Ian that it looked like a very easy position to defend (PO being part of the team).. but as Goldratt would say "The challenging of basic assumptions is essential to breakthroughs "

    Have a great day and see you soon

    August 20

  • Ian R.

    Enjoyed the debate. An honourable draw declared but a strong case made that an empowered customer engaged team is better than a dedicated PO

    August 19

    • David L.

      We all know who 'really' won though ;)

      1 · August 20

  • Paul T.

    Really healthy debate, better watch out for my position!

    August 19

    • David L.

      We all know that you're the best PO in the world ... EVER!

      1 · August 20

  • Clare K.

    Very lively, interesting and a great intro to this group

    August 20

    • David L.

      Hope to see you again :)

      August 20

  • Stephen F.

    Good robust arguments from all sides. It was a good topic and a reminder that these methodologies are always evolving and developing so we need to reassess our certainties from time to time. Nevertheless, I think someone who walks and talks like a Product Owner is very useful when difficult decisions need to be made or difficult conversations need to be had. The format of the debate was good and kept things moving along.

    August 20

    • David L.

      Glad you enjoyed the format.

      August 20

  • David L.

    Great debate with some interesting changes of opinion shared at the end

    August 19

  • Matt H.

    Can't make it but really hope someone can take some notes and share them / blog about it after! :-)

    August 19

  • David L.

    I'll send another reminder as people seem to be very keen to come.

    1 · August 19

    • David L.

      I have sent another reminder to the 30 people with tickets urging them to change their RSVP if they can't come tonight.

      August 19

    • Roser B.

      Still coming :)

      August 19

  • Paul T.

    If anyone drops out, please RSVP as I want to come along

    August 19

  • David L.

    Very much looking forward to this tonight. I think this could be one of the best debates we've had!!

    August 19

  • Ares

    Very interesting topic, we touched it briefly in the Luton Agile Group, recently; but an in depth debate sounds very appealing. Personally, I think the answer is circumstantial, say you have devs with solid domain knowledge, then a product owner will be a throwback; while if you don't, his perspective is priceless (at least to his employer)... Anyway, I like the debate format, so count me in to the minority group, I will do my best ;)

    August 8

    • David L.

      I'm afraid you don't get to choose your group, Ares. We'll be randomly assigning people to each group later on.

      August 19

  • Dan S.

    On holiday.but yes you do

    August 7

  • Mattijas L.

    I will join this one! Sounds like an interesting and relevant discussion. Are there any blog posts etc on the topic worth sharing in advance?

    August 8

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