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EXTERNAL EVENT - ACTIVISM (series, Every Sunday evening) "God on Trial"

UPDATE: 21/2. The Christian group are happy to have us along, but want to emphasise that the format is a speech, followed by discussion within smaller groups of 4 to 6. They do not want the speech (20 mins or so) interrupted by questions and I think since it is their event it is only right that we should respect their format. The feedback from atheists who went  is that the speech is pretty long, and since the hosts do not want it interrupted, you might want to take notes during it so you can refer to what was said later in the small group discussions. Needless to say, we should keep this polite and not make it personal. Not to say you can't be forthright afterwards during the discussions of course, but please let's keep it civil, thank you :-)   please note:18:00 table tennis/social. Discussion starts 18:30

Here's the original invite:

Hi there, I'm Jeremy and I'm involved in a meetup group called Connected. It's run by Christians and we want to encourage intelligent discussion and debate among people of various beliefs. We're about to start a new series called "God on Trial" and are hoping for quite a few people of different viewpoints to come and join the discussion. It would be great if some of you would like to come along. Feel free to advertise it to your members if you think that would be appropriate.

Each week we are discussing a different topic:
Feb 17th: "No evidence. Dear God - mind speaking up?"
Feb 24th: "It's the C21st. Dear God - are you relevant any more?"
March 3rd: "Life hurts. Dear God - do you care?"
March 10th: "Rules, rules, rules. Dear God - are you a killjoy?"
March 17th: "Hell, fire and brimstone. Dear God - are you a sadist?"
March 24th: "We're all trying our best. Dear God - why so exclusive?"

More info can be found on our meetup page. Please RSVP here if you'd like to come along and we'll let the Connected group know.

http://www.meetup.com/ConnectedLondon/

PRICE: Free ( Let's hope they don't want our souls ;-)) Just kidding, it's actually REALLY refreshing isn't it, that religious people want to hear other opinions and maybe even the 'E' word? ...E..Ev..evidence?? Seriously though, I must say I'm impressed by this group for at least trying ...and it'll be an interesting experience, no doubt!

 

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  • Andre

    MyTme ThsTime: Rocky II?

    March 10, 2013

    • Andre

      No, I haven't. I thought youwere talking about those Stallone movies. It seemed like an odd choice for someone searching for enlightenment!

      March 11, 2013

    • MyTime_ThisTime

      Yeah, I was referring to Stallone's movies. It was a joke.

      March 11, 2013

  • MyTime_ThisTime

    Hmmm. Aaah. Err. Ugh. I don't understand the purpose of this. Can someone enlighten me. Just watched Rocky II, and although it ain't my world I think I understand that more. It'd rather attend a fight (although I don't agree with inflicting physical pain on others) than attend a Baptist church. As long as there's good music I guess. Is that it? Is there great music? Sex? Otherwise, why go to a religious forum? Are you practicing y'all's arguments? Enlighten me.

    March 10, 2013

    • Georgi L.

      I think it's various things; as Andre says, part of it might be see what they do, how they can think like that etc ...but mainly I'd say it'd be for the ripple effect. If you can inject an iota of reasoning into the religious community, then you are doing something positive. Personally I'd be much keener if there were a chance of a proper debate with the group rather than this time- consuming one person at a time approach, but if I lived closer I'd go along to even this. One never knows how far ripples can go.

      March 11, 2013

  • Mary G.

    I enjoyed tonight's event, and it was good to meet up with John (Coombes) (see post below). I found it a valuable experience, in the same way that André mentioned (below), to have 'access to the content of the minds' of the church-goers. I found their thinking very narrow (as indeed mine used to be until a few years ago, having had a very restrictive evangelical upbringing). Those in my group were happy in their comfort zone, talking about Jesus and his love for us, but when we brought up other topics, such as contradictions in the gospels, the story of the early Christian church (thanks Dave Miller for explaining this so well), the translation of the word 'virgin', how errors crept into the work of the early scribes, etc., etc., it was as though it was the first time they had ever had their attention drawn to such matters. Fascinating!
    I think it is very bold on their part that they are prepared to open themselves up to be challenged in this way. Respect!

    March 10, 2013

    • Andre

      I really wanted to attend, but I went to meet some Brazilian friends and we just lost ourselves in atheistic conversation and beer. They wanted to come with me, but time was tight. I think they will come with me next Sunday.

      March 11, 2013

  • Andre

    I'm sorry I wasn't able to attend. I hope people had a good tme.

    March 10, 2013

  • Jonathan

    I enjoyed it, so personally I don't consider it a waste of time. I don't think many of them are going to become atheists because of us though. But it might be food for thought at least for the more moderate christians that are there (if at all). Churches are clubs for the mutually deluded, and the relentless theist arguments that they immerse themselves in feed and empower their christian faith, like a feedback loop (I'm a guitarist!). So I think the more rational viewpoints they hear the better, even if it merely enables a christian who's 'on the fence' to at least consider accepting evolution, which is one less Homo Sapien thinking the Earth is 6000 years old. I do find it hard not grabbing one of those guitars in the corner and playing 'Sympathy for the Devil'. Maybe tomorrow.

    1 · March 9, 2013

  • Andre

    It seems to me that any theological study is, by definition, quite pointless. I'm interested in meeting with this religious group because I want to be able to have access to the content of their minds. I want to find out what their rational justification is for clinging to their beliefs. They always come across as weak, but, still, they are the justifications they are willing to put foward. Ultimately, I think religious faith is about emotions, rather than rationality. And I would like to make people see this. I would like them to understand that their reliogion is something that makes them feel good, and that they can't think of any other option which would also make them feel good, or indeed better. I'm putting my position in very simple and rough terms here, but that's in a nutshell what it amounts to.

    2 · March 9, 2013

  • Richard F

    If this constitutes theological studies then I weep for the future. "We want to encourage intelligent discussion and debate " - My arse!!!!

    March 9, 2013

  • Richard F

    Sorry but I found this a complete waste of time. When someone believes that tigers and lions were vegetarian until Eve screwed it up for the rest of us then there is no hope of debating logically. I also found the speakers arguments lame and empty.

    1 · March 9, 2013

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