ACTIVISM EVENT - Speakers Corner (MEET AT VICTORIA PUB at 12)

26 Apr UPDATE: Weather looks good :-) We'll email out a contact number the night before, but meeting point is at the Victoria Pub, 10a strathearn place, upstairs at 12. After a short group discussion to make sure we're all happy with our messages etc, we'll head off to SC. We'll have banners, a stepladder, placards, T-shirts and some leaflets (Stephen Yarde has suggested some great ones for you to print out yourself as well, if possible ....(http://www.richarddawkins.net/a...
"I suggest we all print them out and cut them into single strips for handing to people. Each one is unique, funny and encourages rational thought.

Another idea is that we could print out some of the most violent, genocidal, racist, and sexist commands in the bible and show them to people who still believe that the bible is a good book. You can find a good selection here" http://www.evilbible.com/)

We should be at SC by 1pm, so any latecomers can join us there.


21 Apr UPDATE: As there is a fair chance of rain sometime during the afternoon, we will meet at 12:00 at the Victoria, 10A Strathearn Place, London W2 2NH, where a private room is booked for us upstairs to use all afternoon (booked under Ginny/meetup). Even if it rains all afternoon we can still have a nice pub lunch and discuss tactics and practise arguments for later, but if the rain lets up we'll leg it down to SC!

15th Mar UPDATE: Date is now fixed as APR 28th (Weather permitting ...please check board on the day to ensure this event is going ahead)

ABOUT THIS EVENT
How about joining us to spread some peaceful and REASONED fun vibes? ...we'll also have a good-natured laugh with passers-by.

These events seem to be great fun and the public seem to be surprised to see reason challenging the relionuts just by our peaceful presence.  They love seeing us and previous events have reported getting high fives from people passing by 

But it also serves many real purposes: To name just a few...

- showing the religious that they can't spout whatever dangerous stuff they like unchallenged. Once something has to be justified they can't be so gung-ho and it makes life difficult for them to recruit vulnerable people so easily.

- Showing a voice for the the silent majority (reasoned people!); which will inevitably, in time, reach media and government.  Time and again we hear from politicians at rallies etc that secularists just don't show up or write-in. So let's start doing that ...or we'll have to stop complaining that our views are not reflected in society ;-)

- Showing other latent atheists and secularists that actually, there are many many more of us than they realise...gives them confidence that they too can 'come out'!

We will have our own humorous leaflets, designed and written by talented LAAGers; Richard Francis, and Cheryl Kerkin (illustrations). They're works of art in themselves! Er ...the leaflets I meant, though it could also apply to Richard and Cheryl

All welcome!

Pub afterwards (of course!) for our regular monthly last-sunday-of-the-month social. (Pub details on event post below - please RSVP there too)

...And of course all dependent on weather - can't do this in the rain.

Travel: there are some buses on diversion around Marble Arch as there'll be so-called 'planned engineering works' around the station. Trains are still running as normal.

Weather: Adrian predicts a chance of light rain early evening.

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  • Kieron

    One wonders that if god does exist, why does he send such lunatics to *cough cough* spread his word.!?

    2 · May 1, 2013

  • Stephen Y.

    Oh yeah, People really liked the leaflet "Give a man a fish and you'll feed him for a day; Give him a religion and he'll starve to death while praying for a fish"
    I'll make that into a banner for the next one :-)
    I think we all made a very good impact and were like a breath of fresh air amonst all the brainwashed religious peeps.

    2 · April 29, 2013

  • Stephen Y.

    My day in the park. At one point a black muslim said it was 'shamefull' for a black man to be an atheist.
    I enjoyed reminding him of history and that the god he now worships was forced on africans at the edge of a sword. Another muslim said he found my 'atheism is not a religion, it is a personal relationship with reality' leaflet offensive. I asked him if under sharia law i would be beheaded. He said yes.
    I was so amazed by his answer i said "Jesus Christ!!!" then he said "you see, you are religious too and i dont know science because i accept evolution as a fact". Me; "Do you believe that mohammed flew to heaven on a winged horse?" No, he said, it wasnt a horse, it was a UNICORN!! To which i said Oh....GOD!! and asked him how big its wingspan would need to be to get airborne considering a horse weighs about 70 stone?
    Him; it had nothing to do with science, it was a miracle. :-)

    2 · April 29, 2013

  • Adrian

    Great day. We were much better prepared than when we went to the Paralympics to do this last year. Thanks to all who came along and especially those who brought leaflets, banners, t-shirts and even a ladder!. We had about 28 people there which is a remarkable turn out. The day was good natured and although there are a lot of nutters there we did meet some atheists (some of whom have joined LAAG) and you never know who you may have inspired to be more active, or even question their beliefs. For example, Jarred Christmas (a comedian some of you may know) bought me a thank you drink a couple of years ago because he said I kick-started his comedy career! I had no idea and that's my point. We will have made a difference yesterday even though it may not be obvious how. Thanks again everyone who took part :-)

    3 · April 29, 2013

  • Roger

    Mmm, not sure about this - there did seem to be a lot of brick walls about (as predicted) so I suspect that our presence didn't actually contribute anything very much. During one of the most heated "discussions" I realised that the learned Muslim interlocutor was simply wasting time - seemingly trying to set endless little word traps - but he must have known that there was no point, so he was just taking up time. While I was there I didn't see any other religions actively participating in discussion - one Christian guy was standing on his chair with his eyes shut singing hymns to no-one.

    April 28, 2013

    • Georgi L.

      Roger, I think you missed what happened later since you had to leave relatively early. Many LAAGers were engaging people (and drawing large crowds!). As we learn the ropes I think these events have the potential to really make a difference in showing the religious that they can't get away without being challenged, and en masse. Up to now people like Richard and Kieron have been lone reasoned voices but we make a statement en masse - also judging by the number of bystanders that asked us to "please come back".

      2 · April 29, 2013

    • Roger

      I take your point Ginny & would definitely have stayed longer if it had been possible. Not giving up on this, just questioning the bits I saw. Great that there was better interaction later on.

      April 29, 2013

  • Georgi L.

    Well done to all those that engaged people yesterday, and all those that supported as well. many were first timers, like me. It was fantastic to see reason in action in the shape of you guys. I saw at least Robin, Rich, Kieron, David Mcguire doing a fantastic job, and heard about Stephen Yarde also. And we have some new stars joining us - Danielle and Steve Chilcott, who were also both fantastic yesterday. It was all new to me but even I raised some laughs and nods from a crowd yesterday when I rebuffed the Xtian nutter who seemingly hadn't heard the concept of "it's better to admit not to know than to call every gap a 'proof' of sky-daddy". As we learn how to avoid the cul-de-sacs the religious try to lure us into, and learn how to get to the heart of the matter concisely, I think these events will be not only enjoyable but also make a difference. Perhaps we need to invite media when we're more confident.

    1 · April 29, 2013

  • Mark

    Really enjoyed sticking it to the nutters yesterday. Hoping this will continue ALL SUMMER. Yes, there were professional nutjobs there but luckily we have our own resident looney extinguisher. On a completely unrelated topic, very happy to see Richard on fighting form - well done sir. Looking forward to seeing all of you time. Till then, keep flying the flag.

    1 · April 29, 2013

  • Mark T

    Enjoyable gettogether, very nice old pub - a bit difficult to find but then again my phone is useless!

    April 29, 2013

  • Jason

    Enjoyed it. Obviously the content was anything but informative, but it was interesting nonetheless to see how these folks behave. I don't think there was anyone there that would know whether they had won or lost and argument or actually care if they influenced anyone's thinking. That's not the point. The point is all about the performance, memorising the party line and being seen by your peers to do it. I guess that's how young dogmatists have always worked their way up the pecking order, whether the dogma was religious or political.

    April 28, 2013

  • David M.

    One surreal conversation I remember was about glass, Ants and proof for the Koran. It looks like it is down to the Arabic word for "crushed" being interpreted as the sound of crushing glass. They then state science has shown that Ants are made of glass. But what I wished I had known at the time was the story is from Solomon hearing a conversation between ants. "when they reached the Valley of the Ants, an ant exclaimed: O ants! Enter your dwellings lest Solomon and his armies crush you, unperceiving.
    27:19 And (Solomon) smiled, laughing at her speech..." With the talking donkey in the bible, these books are predicting Pixar and Dreamworks films.

    April 28, 2013

  • Andy S.

    I'll be there in about an hour or so

    April 28, 2013

  • David M.

    Running a little late. Will be at speakers corner

    April 28, 2013

  • Andre

    I'm really behind with my revision for the two exams I have this week and so I'm not going to be able to attend this event. I'm really sorry not to be able to join our group thios time around. I hope you have a lovely time!

    April 28, 2013

  • PAULINE R.

    Have double-booked with the Geeks meetup

    April 28, 2013

  • Joanne

    A friend of mine and fellow atheist may join us at Speaker's Corners. She may then drag me away to celebrate Koningendag (but more as a excuse to eat pancakes) but I'm hoping she'll stay and chat see what we're about.

    April 28, 2013

  • shrina

    I will try and come but I am feeling very under the weather, hope to be better by sunday, very disappointed n do apologise, hope defo to come to the next meet up.

    April 26, 2013

  • Serah

    i would love to be at this event, some time ago when i was a born again christian i use to stop people on the street and ask them to accept jesus into their lives, now i would like correct my past mistake,
    i will be there if i can swap my shift

    3 · April 20, 2013

    • Georgi L.

      Serah, it's great that you want to be even more active (I think everyone who bothers to join a group is already more active than the generally apathetic/reluctant atheists out there), but you shouldn't be too hard on yourself for your past proselytising. After all, you were a victim and no doubt were pressured in all sorts of ways to do it. Yet you've managed to get yourself out of that through your own force of will and quest for rationality I would think. Hope to see you if you can swap your shift!

      2 · April 20, 2013

    • Kieron

      Your poor mum Serah,,, having had to give birth to you err,,, twice...

      1 · April 20, 2013

  • Stephen Y.

    Richard Dawkins recently had on twitter a series of hundreds of witty one liners all ending with the words "makes sense". You can find a selection of them here. http://www.richarddawkins.net/articles/2866/generate_pdf
    I suggest we all print them out and cut them into single strips for handing to people. Each one is unique, funny and encourages rational thought.

    Another idea is that we could print out some of the most violent, genocidal, racist, and sexist commands in the bible and show them to people who still believe that the bible is a good book. You can find a good selection here. http://www.evilbible.com/

    One final suggestion is that we seek a common issue with people who are normally not bothered about religion institutions and are unaware that they; pay no taxes, hide child molesters, are anti science and believe magic, are exempt from anti discrimination laws, ban atheists from the scouts and other national institutions, perform GBH on the genitals of defenceless infants.

    3 · April 13, 2013

    • Georgi L.

      Joanne, I'm glad you've removed your (very recognisable surname) but with kiwi connection you may still be rather identifiable ...though some employers are quite happy with this, others might take it badly...don't want you getting into trouble!

      April 20, 2013

    • Joanne

      Too lazy to go into work today but will print on Monday (after checking permission). My bosses are pretty good about this sort of thing - as long as you're honest and don't abuse things (and I'll probably be held to not mentioning the All Blacks for a week - the things I do) for the cause.

      April 20, 2013

  • Roger

    Unless someone already has one, I'll make a large sign that says "Come and ask us what Atheists believe in - or don't" or words to that effect (suggestions welcomed)

    2 · April 18, 2013

    • Roger

      Do we have a LAAG sign on a stick, then?

      April 19, 2013

    • Georgi L.

      Roger, well we have 2 placards and we can put whatever we want on them.

      April 20, 2013

  • Georgi L.

    Some further details:

    Richard Francis and Kieron are our two SC experts that I know of, it sounds like Brian and Fiona Hamilton might also be. Rich will definitely be there, and hopefully Kieron, brain and Fiona as well. Rich says the following: Apart from illegal activity, anything goes (including fancy dress - not doing it!!) Both leaflets and placards are good. Most people put them on the railings behind them (I'll have cord and gaffa tape). The content could be anything. I would suggest inviting people to ask us questions or the positivity of science etc (religious people will often apply the Persecution Principle, so we should show positive images - although I find it difficult not to show the fallacies in their position) I will be taking a small step ladder to stand higher, but people can obviously borrow it if they want to have a go. I will bring some of my leaflets and I suggest that we have as many leaflets from NSS et al as variety is the spice of life...

    April 16, 2013

    • Georgi L.

      ...cont...The two things that I would let people know (from my initial experience) is that they will probably have to actively tackle people who are speaking as most of the public will agree with us (nice;), and ALWAYS keep a look out for pick pockets. NEVER put a bag down thinking that there is enough of a group around us for it to be safe; it takes seconds for it to be taken.

      Otherwise, we should have a laugh and individuals should get involved as much or as little as they feel comfortable. Sometimes good to have a 'co-pilot' if inexperienced, as a back up.

      April 16, 2013

  • Stephen Y.

    This sounds very interesting. Are we gonna have a loudhailer and a speaker on a milk crate:-). Or just mingle amonst the crowd of other speakers?
    I suggest we go there prepared with loads of leaflets. There are some really good ones on the files section of this site.

    The national secular society will also supply you with a box of their excellent variety of leaflets if you just email them, say how many you want, and donate postage costs.
    Take a look here: http://www.secularism.org.uk/issue-leaflets.html

    April 12, 2013

    • Kieron

      Hi Stephen, loudhailers are a bit of a no no at speakers corner. Tho in some circumstances they are allowed, the general rule with speakers is that they should not be used at all, as they can ruin it for other speakers and those wanting to listen to other speakers. Speakers Corner has become overrun with religious nutters, so no need for a speaker imv, once they know atheists are around, their magnetic fields will activate, and they will gravitate towards us. I say 'us', I'm hoping I can make it.

      April 15, 2013

  • shrina

    I have never been 2 activist event, looking forward to it, be nice to put bit of action behind my views, see ya all there. :)

    1 · April 12, 2013

    • Adrian

      We did a similar thing last year at the Paralympics. Nice day and lots of fun. The more experienced people really got stuck into it and for the newbies had an excellent master class in interaction! There's nothing better, especially on a Sunday, than watching someone's firmly held beliefs, that aren't really theirs and they haven't really thought through, being dashed on the rocks of intellect ;-)

      1 · April 12, 2013

  • Roger

    I got my diary in a twist - yes, I can make it. Hooray!

    2 · April 12, 2013

  • Brian

    Ho yes my idea of fun, I had a guy chase me across the park once, It made everyone laugh.

    2 · April 11, 2013

    • Georgi L.

      LOL, I can imagine ...let's see if we can recreate it ;-)

      April 11, 2013

  • Roger

    Regretfully I will not be there - gig in Rottingdean that afternoon.

    April 11, 2013

  • Joanne

    Hopefully I can overcome my shy nature to be a force for good ;-)

    2 · December 25, 2012

  • A former member
    A former member

    I'll really try and get there. I was a regular at Speaker's Corner when I lived in London and know many of the regular speakers!

    Fiona

    2 · December 17, 2012

  • Mark

    Hi All. Making plans for printing a banner - but may need help with the funds. I'd like to go with a 3*2M banner for 2 or 3 people to hold up - (big enough to be seen properly - ie: for the News - if it gets there!) The banner I have in mind is fairly simple, how about one big slogan: "Religious Wars - Killing Each Other To See Who Has The Most Peaceful god." Printed on the backing of 2 / 3 pics of gods toting military garb holding arms and facing each other, etc. We could have a couple of other prints on this banner - definitely the LAAG logo - maybe the "Anthony Nolan Bone Marrow Register"? Other ideas and especially appropriately printable pictures will be welcomed. Offers of help with funding the £50 banner will also be welcome! - maybe £10 each from 4 other members. It raises incrementally by £10 per meter from there if enough people want to take it to a larger scale. Looking forward to seeing you there.

    November 3, 2012

    • Mark

      Thanks Ginny. If I can be of help with further developments, let me know. Looking forward to seeing you on the day.

      November 4, 2012

    • Georgi L.

      Thanks Mark, same here.

      November 4, 2012

  • james p.

    I will do my best to come along, though I may not be able to get there till 2pm.

    October 26, 2012

  • Mark

    Very much looking forward to this one. We need to send the message properly - with the right signs/posters/leaflets etc. Have we printed these yet or should we use this arena to discuss potentials before the event? Ginny, you mentioned the weather but it's possible to use that to our advantage. How about a mobile awning of sorts - something that fits into the permissible regulations for the venue - and something that IF it rains, everyone can "join us under the shelter of common sense". How's that for a slogan on the side - "Common Sense Shelter" :) That will also ensure our materials (and ministers) stay dry and we can use them again. Personally, I'd like to do everything I can to make this happen - the message is so important. How about a lightweight popup 3m * 3m garden gazebo - portable to the extent it can't be considered a permanent structure, light enough to get from site to site & great for an information point, (good to hang banners from too.) OK, Just an idea. Any thoughts?

    October 14, 2012

    • Georgi L.

      As for gazebo ...practicality...how are we gonna buy it./store it/transport it/carry it etc? And the weather isn't only an issue for us but more in terms of keeping people indoors... no point having a gazebo if there is no one about. Suggest we keep it fairly simple and easy for everyone :-)

      October 18, 2012

    • Georgi L.

      But a great idea nonetheless Mark, thanks! ...let's keep it in mind for when we're bigger, have more funds, and have more members who can help out.

      October 18, 2012

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