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DISCUSSION EVENT, monthly Midweek- LANGUAGE, what difference does it make?

SUBJECT: Language; do the words we use reinforce religion, or doesn't it matter?

E.g.  If you 'thank god',  does it matter?

Why are some non believers so against the term 'atheist'?

Do you wish people a happy Christmas?

Does language have an impact on what ethics are considered to stem from religion. E.g does using the everyday term 'have faith' imply that faith is a good thing, and therefore reinforce religions' self appointed role as the holder of morals?

These are just examples, not a fixed agenda as that'll be down to those present to choose.  Any points you wish to raise, or any comments whatsoever are welcome on the comments facility below.Thanks to Ajay and Richard Francis for suggesting this topic.

Furthermore, with the first atheist 'church' having just started, this discussion to kick off the new year is even more apt. The people from the atheist church ...(saying that makes me wince) ...are now confirmed for the social meetup on SUNDAY 27th/1 to give us their thoughts about why they called it that, and more about it in general, what's it about, what do they do...

UPDATE: The pub will be busy so we'll meet UPSTAIRS.(Inside door marked 'restaurant') PLEASE buy your drinks, order food if you want to and head on upstairs WELL BEFORE 19:30, so we are ready to start promptly, if  possible :-). 'Official' end time for discussion is 9pm, but this is flexible if people want to continue with the discussion upstairs, or want social time in the main pub downstairs instead.

 

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  • Alex D

    Interesting and well-behaved debate with a sizeable and diverse bunch of friendly and interesting people; I developed a more nuanced view of the subject, enjoyed myself, and gained some biscuits: top night!

    January 19, 2013

  • A former member
    A former member

    Cries - I missed it! But I will try to get to the next one!

    January 18, 2013

  • Richard F

    Excellent as always. Sorry to have had to get up at 3.50am the following morning but here's to the next one.

    January 17, 2013

  • Kieron

    yes,, a good evening,, and good to hear so many different opinions, (all wrong except *cough cough* mine of course;) But also many thanks to Ginny, Adrian, and others who help put these events on,, , I know lots goes on behind the scenes which we don't see, and not always easy,,, so a big thanks to Ginny and the admin team, it really is appreciated.

    January 17, 2013

    • Georgi L.

      Sweet of you to say, Kieron, thank you. Hope I'm not ruining your 'grumpy' street cred ;-)

      January 17, 2013

  • Roger

    An interesting discussion - I don't think many of us changed our views that much but it was very good natured despite a range of opinions shared. could have gone on a lot longer - what about the use of the word atheist, for example?

    January 17, 2013

  • Adrian

    What an enjoyable evening! Great to see so many there. Big thanks to all who came along!

    January 17, 2013

  • Mary G.

    Brilliant evening, Ginny and Adrian! Excellent venue and format - and having to be thrown out of the pub at the end just before 11 p.m. says it all!

    January 17, 2013

    • Georgi L.

      Glad you enjoyed it, and thank you very much for saying so, Mary. I should have asked the 6 who had changed their position at the end of the debate, which way they had changed to and from...DOH! ...now bugging me. Debate continues here: http://www.meetup.com...­]

      January 17, 2013

  • Robin

    An interesting debate, very well hosted by Ginny and compere Adrian. I found my opinion slightly changed at the end of the night which was good. Glad I came along, hope to see you all again.

    January 17, 2013

  • Angela D.

    Church is a bit odd; any other suggestions.

    January 14, 2013

  • Fiona W.

    Angela, it's at The Nave, 1 St Paul's Road, Canonbury. For a comment by someone who went to the first meeting, Google: NSS Newsline; Why Newsline has changed; Letters to Newsline; Atheist Church by John Hunt.

    January 14, 2013

  • Angela D.

    Is the atheist church/temple in london?

    January 14, 2013

    • Georgi L.

      Hi Angela, A warm welcome to the group. The atheist church now seems to be calling itself The atheist assembly, and is monthly on sundays in Islington. The pair who run it are coming to our social meeting on Jan27th to tell us more about it. http://www.meetup.com...­

      January 14, 2013

  • Alex D

    In my diary, but won't know till the day (as usual!)

    January 8, 2013

  • Matias C.

    @Fiona, if a conversation thread is annoying you, you can just click the mute button and you should no longer get notifications on that conversation.

    December 28, 2012

    • Georgi L.

      The discussion boards are the usual place for a conversation like this rather than here on the event site. These comments boxes here are more suitable for details about the meeting itself or suggestions etc. That way people can leave the tick box on and get updates. Just start pick 'new discussion' and carry on there if you wish, and that way other people can easily join in, too. :-)

      December 28, 2012

    • Andre

      I wasn't aware of that. I will see if I can think of an interesting topic. There's something I would like to suggest, actually.

      December 28, 2012

  • Andre

    Sure, let's save the discussion for the 16th of January!

    December 28, 2012

  • Fiona W.

    Couldn't Matias and Andre wait until 16 January, or they won't have anything left to say then!

    December 28, 2012

  • Andre

    The Natural History Museum in Cromwell Road was designed as a secular temple. There's also the monument to atheism proposed by Alain de Botton. I don't know whether they have built it yet. I'm curious about this atheist church. I will look up the article!

    1 · December 26, 2012

    • Matias C.

      I meant in regards to or as it relates to atheism...

      December 28, 2012

    • Andre

      One thing I would support is the removal of certain privileges organised religions enjoy: tax exemptions, seats in the House of Lords, etc. I also think that religious people should get used to frank criticism of their beliefs, on the grounds that they can deprive children of a decent and honest education and also because they are used to justify bigotry. I'd add to this that it seems to me that some people are simply immune to atheism. I think activism should concentrate giving people who would like to become atheists, but either don't have enough information or simply don't realise the option is available, the opportunity to do so.

      December 28, 2012

  • A former member
    A former member

    I got a reply and Googled "The first church of atheism" and saw it! God grief take a look - it's unbelievable!

    Fiona

    December 26, 2012

    • A former member
      A former member

      No, it must be a Freudian slip!

      December 26, 2012

    • A former member
      A former member

      It must be because I live in the Bible belt meets New Age town of Glastonbury. It does things to a thinking persons head which is why I need to mix with good people a.k.a atheists!

      December 26, 2012

  • A former member
    A former member

    How about something like Atheist Reason Assembly Hall, (Centre/Rooms), etc ?

    Fiona

    1 · December 26, 2012

  • Fiona W.

    There's a VERY interesting article to Google: 'The correct meaning of "church" and "ecclesia".

    1 · December 26, 2012

  • Fiona W.

    Fiona Hamilton just needs to Google 'First Church of Atheism'

    December 26, 2012

  • A former member
    A former member

    I guess it is the "temple to atheism" that I just found!

    Fiona

    December 26, 2012

  • A former member
    A former member

    Are details of the atheist "church" online? If so, I would love to have a look!

    Fiona

    December 26, 2012

  • Georgi L.

    I've just added an external event about multiculturalism vs the term/concept of interculturalism. This could be a second topic for us to discuss if we have time since this is also about language, and impinges on religion to an extent.

    Similarly, has the term 'PC' had its day/lost it's meaning/become tainted ... and is there a better term we can/should use?

    December 26, 2012

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