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Church of England to take over thousands of state schools where Bishops will be able to appoint governors

MyTime_ThisTime
user 3399980
London, GB
Post #: 352

  • Education Secretary Michael Gove agrees deal with the Church
  • Non-faith and community schools to join CofE academy chains
  • Church will not be allowed to change admissions policy or RE lessons
  • Move criticised by secular groups who fear 'religionisation' of schools
  • Gove wants Church to 'rediscover educational mission of Victorian times'

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Jason
SweynTUV
London, GB
Post #: 143


This cannot be allowed to stand!

AND GOVE MUST GO!
Adrian
KingHell
Group Organizer
London, GB
Post #: 635

  • Gove wants Church to 'rediscover educational mission of Victorian times
  • Wasn't the Victorian educational mission to teach everyone their place and how much superior the British were to everyone else in the world? And also to exploit the world to our own ends.
    Georgi L.
    Guffaw
    London, GB
    Post #: 1,717
    I know. I'm not even going to say much because it will turn into a big rant.

    I did hear some commentary on it, and the 'reasoning' is this:

    1/Church schools have better stats
    2/ Therefore it makes sense to hand over to church

    Let's put aside for a moment that stats are only a small part of what makes a good school, and also what is decent for a government to force onto children is another forgotten factor. But why don't they mention that church schools are allowed to select their intake?

    Hmm, selective intake - wonder if they filter only brighter students?
    Hmm, wonder if brighter students mean church schools have better stats?
    Hmm, but state school are not allowed to select intake, because the government "wants all children to have equal opportunity". ...Wonder if that leads to worse stats?

    Hmm, but since we've allowed church schools to engineer better stats, now we can hand over state schools to the church because "we want all children to have equal opportunities"! Fantastic! That gives Buybull loving Gove more religious education as he's wanted all along, but he's done it by the back door - on a sleight of hand that he has helped to engineer. Machiavelli would be proud.

    Adrian
    KingHell
    Group Organizer
    London, GB
    Post #: 636
    That's the same logic that was presented to me the other day as to what's happening in Afghanistan:

    The Yanks go in and oust the taliban govt.
    The taliban terrorise Afghanistan
    Yanks invite taliabn to negotiating table
    ...leads to...
    democratically elected taliban govt.
    Right back where we started.
    *Unless you bought shares in arms manufacturers (which I did recommend doing).
    Jason
    SweynTUV
    London, GB
    Post #: 144
    Hmm, selective intake - wonder if they filter only brighter students?
    Hmm, wonder if brighter students mean church schools have better stats?
    Hmm, but state school are not allowed to select intake, because the government "wants all children to have equal opportunity". ...Wonder if that leads to worse stats?
    That is the issue in a nutshell. CofE schools select on socio-economic grounds (not exclusively but enough to make the difference) and that is correlated with aptitude. In general, middle class parents tend to lavish more time and attention in their kids in the early years, so their kids are, on average, well ahead by school entry age. No surprise that the school with the brightest kids does better than the ones with disruptive children from chaotic families and a high proportion of kids with English as a second language. When the CofE has that to deal with it will do no better than chance, but by then they will have pocketed a huge wedge of our taxes but no one will be able to call them out for failing.

    Gove is a Victoriana fetishist. He won't be happy until kids are going up chimneys again and the penalty for shoplifting is transportation to the colonies. If his policies aren't enough to prove his madness then we need someone to get incontrovertible proof, like getting a photo of him when he's relaxing at home dressed as Miss Haversham.
    Jason
    SweynTUV
    London, GB
    Post #: 145
    RETRACTION: The author of the previous post has been reprimanded and now accepts that it is wrong to discriminate against anyone, regardless of gender, simply on the basis of a predeliction for dressing up as female characters from the fiction of Charles Dickens. LAAG would however like to stress that it is against the emotional abuse of children and also discourages the practice of pushing them up chimneys.
    Adrian
    KingHell
    Group Organizer
    London, GB
    Post #: 637
    Gove is a Victoriana fetishist. He won't be happy until kids are going up chimneys again and the penalty for shoplifting is transportation to the colonies. If his policies aren't enough to prove his madness then we need someone to get incontrovertible proof, like getting a photo of him when he's relaxing at home dressed as Miss Haversham.
    Tellin' ya!
    Jason
    SweynTUV
    London, GB
    Post #: 146
    Up early this morning Mr Rox or is the party still going? smile
    Georgi L.
    Guffaw
    London, GB
    Post #: 1,718
    RETRACTION: The author of the previous post has been reprimanded and now accepts that it is wrong to discriminate against anyone, regardless of gender, simply on the basis of a predeliction for dressing up as female characters from the fiction of Charles Dickens. LAAG would however like to stress that it is against the emotional abuse of children and also discourages the practice of pushing them up chimneys.
    biggrin I'd like him a bit more if he did dress up as Miss Haversham, as eccentricity can be quite endearing. It shows individuality at least. But that's ananthma/oxymoronic to conservative 'values' of course. I wonder if being keen to live in the past is due to him being brought up in the care system. Sad, and now he's inflicting loss of rights onto thousands of children.
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