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"Why is the left so blinkered to Islamic extremism?"

Georgi L.
Guffaw
London, GB
Post #: 2,355
Adrian
KingHell
Group Organizer
London, GB
Post #: 984
I think it's all part of the pervading climate of political correctness trumping all - even due diligence. We see it here with the almost humorous irony that the left has encouraged right wing fascists into their ranks and hasn't noticed, to the lack of proper diligence being done on job applicants who then turn out to be unqualified, incompetent or abusers in any criminal sense, or varying combinations of the above. Far too many doors are being closed in all levels of government after horses have clearly bolted, and usually many of them over many years. What the fuck is going on? one might ask. Well part of the problem is probably creating jobs and responsibilities that are entirely invented in order to alleviate unemployment, whilst actually diluting responsibility and control, and in doing so employing people who are not really up to the job: there is a point beyond which certain unemployed people left unemployed contribute more to the economy, or rather to employ them starts to be counter-productive.
Jason
SweynTUV
London, GB
Post #: 412
And good to see that nearly 90% expressing an opinion strongly agree with the stance taken in this article.

The author hit the nail on the head. Some on the left have come to think that their raison d'etre is the stand against imperialism, which in this day and age means the US and its allies. In the west, a couple of generations removed from Hitler and Stalin, the threat of totalitarianism just doesn't figure in their worldview any more. The gays hanging from lamp-posts, the suicide bombings, the FGM and rape victims stoned as adulteresses are either just ignored or seen as justified reactions to the cultural and military imperialism of the west. That's not to defend US foreign policy which is for the most part indefensible, but if push comes to shove, fighting fascism ought to be the first order of business for anyone that thinks of themselves as being of the Left.

One wonders whether some time on the ground in North Korea, Saudi Arabia, Iran, Syria, Sudan, Somalia etc. might reconnect some of these folks with where their priorities ought to lie. Possibly not. Some would probably still be cursing the US and Israel, even as the electrodes were being applied to their privates or their head was being sawn off.

Ultimately it just comes down to this, your enemy's enemy is not necessarily your friend. Who would have thought such a simple concept would be so hard to grasp?
Neal E.
WatfordAtheist
Watford, GB
Post #: 3
I found Owen Jones to be one of these people, he automatically shouts islamaphobia at the first sign of a discussion about Islamism. He also is very quick to accuse people of being EDL sympathisers if the speak up against the horrendous teachings of the Quran.
I've had a couple of discussions with him on Twitter and he just will not accept that Islamism is a problem. He seems to come from a liberal up bringing that teaches live and let live which leads very quickly to accepting some terrible practices "because it's their culture"

When are the liberal left who should be the defenders of human rights going to realise that not holding people to the same standards you would expect yourself to be held because "it's their culture" is pretty much bigotry because they are saying that those people don't deserve the same rights that white middle class westerners do.

I find this very frustrating and it is something I encounter on a daily basis with friends and family, they are all so scared of being accused of being racist that they won't speak up.
Georgi L.
Guffaw
London, GB
Post #: 2,358
Yep, this is actually what is holding us back from tackling the problem. The Right don't ever want to change the status quo of anything of course, after all that's what conservative means. And that very much includes religion, and the power in holds. Though they have not wanted to change towards gay or racial equality either, they really really weeeally don't want to dissipate the power of the church and monarch - so their answer is to give more rights to other religions too. Whilst the Left/Liberals had good intent towards equal rights - but have tied themselves up in knots and disappeared up their own rectums in the process - ironically now hurting the very values they wish to protect. As you say Neal, it is actually condescending to the very people they seek to protect, to treat muslims or anyone else differently. All should be subject to the same laws and considerations - AND responsibilities.

Peter Boghossian puts it very well I thought: LINK­
Adrian
KingHell
Group Organizer
London, GB
Post #: 986
The argument 'because it's their culture' is a completely bogus one. Children in these cultures are brought up being told they're actually 'different', and very much with the subtext 'superior', to the rest of society. This is in part why they don't want to integrate and why a common syllabus across ALL schools would help.

For the people supporting 'cultural latitude' I'm not sure it's 'condescending' to other cultures as much as being incredibly naive and gullible on the part of the people supporting it, to the point of lowering their own IQs. It's a non-policy. Laissez-faire. In politics there is a tenet that you are better off doing nothing than doing something and getting it wrong. So society is sold down the river in case a few politicos lose their jobs and get egg on their face.

People are not different, some of them do different things. Integrate. Forcibly if necessary. The greater good demands it if we want a free and fair society in the future. (Read "for our children" if you have kids, or are writing in the press).
Jason
SweynTUV
London, GB
Post #: 414
When are the liberal left who should be the defenders of human rights going to realise that not holding people to the same standards you would expect yourself to be held because "it's their culture" is pretty much bigotry because they are saying that those people don't deserve the same rights that white middle class westerners do.
Right on the money there Neal. If the standards we set for rights and justice mean anything then they must be universally available to all. The defenders of Sharia on the left imagine that they are showing solidarity with an oppressed minority, but really they just highlight the fact that they view those with brown skin, particularly women, as "other" who must live by different standards. Sorry Luv, we would support your right to a divorce and custody of your children, but you're a Muslim and that's not the way "you people" do things. It's actually racist and sexist bigotry of the worst kind.
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