April 28, 2013 - 28 went

ACTIVISM EVENT - Speakers Corner (MEET AT VICTORIA PUB at 12)

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  • Brian

    what an irritating buffoon is Hamza Andreas Tzortzis ha has learned five attacks and switches between then randomly, it is what Lawrence Krauss said when he was debating him at ucl... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSwJuOPG4FI

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  • Roger

    I think I'd left before this stage - We should do some serious homework & put our heads together to attempt to find the killer responses to whatever he has.

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  • Adrian

    Individuality is what they don't have. Maybe that's the Achille's Heel?

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  • Georgi L.

    We can also see Rich up on his ladder, doing a fine job refuting Hamza's crap. Hamza claimed he was a humanist and a Xtian (not sure which way round) before becoming a Muslim. Yeah, right.

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  • Adrian

    That just shows he is incapable of making a decision. Obsessives often flit from one obsession to the next.

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  • Roger

    No doubt this has already been mooted (& indeed put into practice) but rather than attacking religions, what about starting from the positive position of atheism (or whatever we decide to call it after Wednesday next ;) extolling its virtues & let them come after us? It would be a good private discussion to have first - setting forth the benefits of atheism without getting hooked by religion-bashing (tempting though that is for most of us...)

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  • Georgi L.

    Yes I agree Roger, that's the way to go and indeed our banner says "peacefully promoting and celebrating reason" - not a negative stance but a positive one. However the religious will retort with something whatever we say and we'll still need to counter that as well. As you and Jason S said earlier I think, if we can brainstorm the best way to handle these - (Brian said earlier Hamza only has 5 arguments he rotates) then we should be able to avoid falling into the dead end traps of semantics.

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  • Adrian

    Well that idiot Hamza seems to think, like a lot of them, that we aren't happy. That's one thing we should home in on. They are basically too scared to be individual so they can't see the benefit of being different - they are basically robots and letting a bronze age book make choices for them. That has to be a weakness?

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  • Georgi L.

    Yes Adrian, that's one I hear a lot from these ignoramuses. Lorna said she had some idiot telling her she couldn't be happy. Maybe we need Happy-2B-Atheist T-shirts! I think there are some happy humanist badges, but as AJ said, often they equate humanism with spirituality or kindness, and not necessarily with atheism.

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  • Jason

    I guess one of the difficulties in presenting a nice coherent happy face for atheism is that you pretty soon start coming across things that atheists disagree on. But then, how much agreement would you expect to find among people who don't collect stamps, or those that think golf is boring. Atheism is a broad church :)

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  • Jason

    I see a T-Shirt design forming. Athiesm on the front, represented by something amazingly detailed like a deep space view from Hubble or Earthrise from Apollo 8 and on the back Theism, a nativity scene drawn in crayon by a hyperactive 5 year old wearing boxing gloves. That's pretty much how I see it.

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  • Stephen Y.

    Here's my suggestion. I think for the next one you should invite the central london humanists, east london humanists, london black atheists, have some atheist music playing like john lennon's imagine. Have loads of positive banners, leaflets, drinks and snacks and have an atheist party in the park were everyone can join in the fun atmosphere, alongside some serious debates :-)

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  • Georgi L.

    Stephen, I said on board that next time we should invite the media and make this even bigger, but your idea is better still. Let's do both, invite other groups and media and really blow the religionists' hate and devisiveness out of the water with joy and reason! We've scheduled the next event for Jun30 & if everyone brings something in the theme of Joy of Reason, posters, pictures, drinks etc, I think we can make a big impact and have fun. Perhaps our musical members might come along and sing or play as well - would be a great day!

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  • Jason

    Like the sound of this but I would keep it low profile during the build up. Hamza could probably rustle up quite a mob with enough notice and we don't want to re-enact the battle of cables street. And with all due respect to you Stephen, I will be bringing a big stick with which to batter anyone that tries to sing Imagine :D Even a pacifist has their limits.

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  • Georgi L.

    Good point Jason. We'll ask other groups to keep it quiet. Since we won't be antagonistic in message or nature, even if Hamza gets a mob, what can they do? They'll come across as the bad guys if we're minding our own business and just handing out joy and reason flyers without confronting the religious. But yes, take your point ...we should keep it quiet and amongst ourselves anyway as none of us want them to go nuts on an excuse (more than they already are, obviously!)

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  • Roger

    And by the way Jason, if you want to avoid hearing "Imagine" you'd better avoid the Anniversary Party...

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  • Jason

    There I go again, making friends and influencing people. Caught bang to rights in an outburst of blatant hippyphobia :) Roger, I jest. I know that I shall enjoy hearing anything you choose to play and am fully prepared for full length saxophone version of Tales from Topographic Oceans.

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  • Brian

    Hey guys I think we did a great job of spreading reason, Hamza ( who calls himself an international debater ) is one of there few speakers, and I think we gave him a good run. He started going on about "something form nothing" and "string theory" I had to stop him and say he had no idea what he was talking about, "what are your qualifications your not a scientist" yes I am I have a degree in psychiatry "that's not a science degree" he replied "Its a BSc" . But in debate, he has to be pinned down with little specific questions, but he will ask you a question and loose you in a long not quite coherent monologue, diving into a semantic soup.

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