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We need the active support of atheist men to join the campaign against violence against women . . . .

Sue M
sue.mayer
Group Organizer
London, GB
Post #: 3,433
It is a current 'campaign' on the BBC radio, but falls short and will not have any significant effect because it will not recognise or reflect on the role of Religion in demanding the subservience of women to men.

They will not dare to challenge the role of the Religions that preach and teach - the worship of and obedience to the almighty Father God in heaven and 'His' chosen dominant gender on earth - man.

Violence and abuse is the punishment 'deserved' by women who do not comply with the restrictions on their lives and disobedience to fathers, husbands and sons - demanded by the patriarchal religions, Christianity and Islam and other that treat women as inferiour and subservient.

We need the support of atheist men to join the campaign by tweeting and posting.



A former member
Post #: 1
Yep Feminism has certainly taken the back seat lately! Since women are free,... to be what men want them to be!

It's a shame there are so many people with vested interests in the oppression of women and that most women have been institutionalized into subservience.

I believe atheist or not the movement needs greater support.
llort
user 81330842
London, GB
Post #: 1
Women in islamic countries have it far worse than women in western countries. if feminism is to remain relevant it must reach out to countries where women are actually oppressed like afghanistan, pakistan, saudi arabia and so on.
A former member
Post #: 2
I agree the female oppression needs to go through the same process as anti slavery. First it should be identified and then zero tolerance adopted. We fear violence because we are in a position of relative freedom, however, the oppressed are justified in violent reprisal, women that is and all that support their emancipation!
Sue M
sue.mayer
Group Organizer
London, GB
Post #: 3,441
The anti-slavery campaign was strongly supported by men and particularly prominent British and American women freethinkers of the post-enlightenment era, as well as quite a large proportion of liberal Christians as well as black and other non-whites. It also had wide support in the northern American states including some of the most important radical politicians. Slavery was a far more overtly extreme phenomenon whose time had come. There is also a big difference between campaigning against slavery and against racism that still exists though in a more covert form.

Many peace campaigners, and radical women, socialists and feminists supported what we saw as the justifiable intervention in Afghanistan, that was particularly brutal to women there; and there are plenty of women who support the various campaigns against the violence and oppression of women at home and abroad today.

However IMO it is unrealistic to think that feminists alone can achieve women's rights on all the issues we have to campaign against, against the combined male dominated political systems and institutions, and the combined the religions, as well as traditionalist women and anti-feminists.

IMO we cannot succeed Without a broader base of support from women themselves, old and young, black and white, atheist and religious, of all classes - the half of the total population who are disadvantaged in all areas of life, in almost every country and the majority of men who benefit at the expense of women.

Sadly even atheists & secularists do not give the support to women's right to freedom, autonomy and equality that they demand for gay men.
llort
user 81330842
London, GB
Post #: 10
Hey, check this out: http://skepchick.org/...­
Sue M
sue.mayer
Group Organizer
London, GB
Post #: 3,451
I do not believe for one moment that the response purporting to come from Richard Dawkins was written by him. He may or may not be a feminist but I simply do not believe, on what I have seen and heard from him, from meeting him, from any of his writings, publications, interviews, lectures and films that this 'crudely' written 'reply' reflects this style, ideas or anything about him.

But it does have the mark of the sort of people who hate his success in promoting atheism, who will invent any way to denigrate him (AND SPREAD THE DENIGRATION) that their tiny minds can devise.
Sue M
sue.mayer
Group Organizer
London, GB
Post #: 3,455
llort wrote:
Women in islamic countries have it far worse than women in western countries. if feminism is to remain relevant it must reach out to countries where women are actually oppressed like afghanistan, pakistan, saudi arabia and so on.

If feminism is to remain relevant (his words) we need men and women to campaign for women's rights i.e. to autonomy, freedom and equality; people who understand that it is not enough only to campaign against the extremes of abuse of women as justified and practiced by the mass patriarchal religions, that in modern times is most extreme under Islamic sects.

Christianity has been as brutal as Islam to women in the past, and has not spared them from hard labour. Today there are limitations on women' lives resulting from Christian teaching and attitudes, enforced through the law and social policy, traditiional beliefs and the charity missionaries. And they do a great deal of harm in refusing women's reproductive and sexual rights.

There are many feminists, individuals and groups who are actively engaged in supporting, in any way they can, the extremes of denigration, violence and oppression of women. But few who are willing to openly pinpoint where the attitudes that lie at the basis of violence and abuse come from. Even the (mostly but not only) male assumptions that women should be subservient, that we should take a back seat, do as we are told, get on with women's work, 'behave' ourselves & not express our own opinions..

There are of course those who think they worship women and put them on a pedestal, but only so long as there is only one or two, she stays there and keeps her mouth shut.

And these attitudes to a greater or lesser degree suffuse all areas of life for most women, even in Britain, by those who find any excuse to denigrate and harass any woman who dares to resist their aggressive, domineering instincts - not just the extremes of physical, sexual abuse but emotional, intellectual and verbal bullying.

Feminism, Religion & Machismo
Alex D
SeeksTruthNboobs
London, GB
Post #: 333
I do not believe for one moment that the response purporting to come from Richard Dawkins was written by him. He may or may not be a feminist but I simply do not believe, on what I have seen and heard from him, from meeting him, from any of his writings, publications, interviews, lectures and films that this 'crudely' written 'reply' reflects this style, ideas or anything about him.

But it does have the mark of the sort of people who hate his success in promoting atheism, who will invent any way to denigrate him (AND SPREAD THE DENIGRATION) that their tiny minds can devise.

This exchange caused quite a stir at the time; I'm surprised you haven't heard of it before. I don't believe Dawkins ever refuted it.
Sue M
sue.mayer
Group Organizer
London, GB
Post #: 3,462
I think it is so absurd that it does not merit a denial.
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