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Blaming Europe?!? Citizens, Governments and the Media

  • Dec 5, 2012 · 6:30 PM
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“Who is to blame?” has become a familiar question in response to the economic crisis that is sweeping Europe. Some of you have asked me: What will happen to Europe? We often discuss the pros and cons of the UK membership to the EU while the British Government is talking about a referendum. The British media is frantically anti-EU to an extent that it doesn't report crucial decision making processes that affect all of our lives here in the UK.

Professor Hobolt discusses when and why citizens, the media, and national governments blame the European Union for policy failures, and considers the consequences for democracy in Europe.

This event is part of the eurocrisis@lse series.

Sara Hobolt is the Sutherland Chair in European Institutions at the European Institute, LSE and you can put your questions to her. Hopefully there will be enough passion in this debate to continue it after the lecture. Those of you who would be up for it can join me to the Three Tuns for a drink and a post lecture debate.

Venue: Hong Kong Theatre, Clement House
Speaker: Professor Sara B Hobolt

The London European Club bans members who RSVP inacurately. This policy applies to ALL our events.

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  • A former member
    A former member

    Interesting talk it was.

    December 6, 2012

  • A former member
    A former member

    A nice event - an interesting lecture by our speaker, and a fun talk afterwards at The George Pub...

    December 6, 2012

  • A former member
    A former member

    I agree with the "Dry" commentary on the lecture - but I do believe she did a fine job as an inagural (her first lecture) speaker. I do wish more of a substantive nature had been discussed on the "vision" and purpose of the European such as a means of unifying Europe in the post-war years. This "political" angle to the EU is more of my interest, as opposed to the effects of media on public perception of blame - interesting, but a bit ancillary to the main thrust of what the EU's citizenry is worried about - they are less worried about the forces shaping their opinions than whether or not Ireland, Portugal, and Spain (perhaps Italy too) will need to be bailed out in additon to Greece - and what the consequences of failure of the European project might be. Still! It was a good idea for an event - thanks to Maja and Loukia for hosting! Had a great time talking with everyone, in particular Achille, Ana, Loukia, Liam, and Juanjo... see you next time.

    December 6, 2012

  • Marcello

    Quite different from what I expected, nice to see quantitative methods applied to political science. And surprising results.

    December 6, 2012

  • Anthony

    Very informative well delivered talk on EU Institutions. Really pleased to have attended this event.

    December 6, 2012

  • Maja

    The talk was a bit "dry" with a lot of statistics, but they were interesting statistics. Unfirtunately I didn't see Neil, but there were eniugg regulars and new members to make up for 3 hours of excellent conversation after the talk. Thanks for coming! I'm planning a few more talks from the eurocrisis series.

    December 6, 2012

  • Wilfried

    Sara knows her subject and delivered an informed lecture. I spoke briefly with her after the lecture, asking her about the quality and effect of increased communication in the UK media on Europe. She agreed with me that it has not lead to improvements, if anything it is making things actually worse as false stereotypes are further enforced.

    December 5, 2012

  • Maja

    Apologies Giles,LSE is in Aldwych/Holborn and that was already mentioned in the comments, that the map is wrong. I thought everyone got that.

    December 5, 2012

  • Aga

    Very interesting.

    December 5, 2012

  • maria

    Hi Maja,
    sorry I couldn't attend but I had to work late.

    December 5, 2012

  • Andrea

    Great lecture and sorry for leaving early before the pub discussion I was looking forward to, but with this rubbish cold I'm currently safest in my bed.

    December 5, 2012

  • A former member
    A former member

    Well I think I turned up but I am damned if I could find it. Sorry to miss it. Was it north end of Bloomsbury Square as shown on map link? Couldn't find it. Sorry! Giles

    December 5, 2012

  • A former member
    A former member

    Could we PLEASE keep this commentary away from argument and blame and disagreement, and keep it about the event? I have long organized events myself for Meetup, in 3 different countries, and I dont' see the need to use this forum to chastise members about not stepping up to organize - especially since many of us don't make blanket judgments and statements and attend events faithfully - nor does it seem a suitable place to play out arguments between individual members. I would have thought the email function between two parties would have been advisable, and kept things out of the public sphere. I appreciate this wonderful group of people and the many opportunities afforded us here by its organizers to meet other like-minded, worldly, intelligent folks who have a lot to offer us - but let's all refrain, organizers and members alike, from judging others and constantly making critical remarks. MeetUp groups like this one are here to serve the members, not the other way around. C-u-soon!B.

    December 4, 2012

  • Maja

    By the way if anyone thinks they can organise a Meetup better they are welcome to do so. So far very few takers on my offer, I guess those of us who organise stuff and keep the Club open to EVERYONE will never be able to understand those who prefer to sit at home and moan online.

    December 3, 2012

  • Maja

    There are plenty of eurosceptics on the RSVP list. I'd prefer if people discuss the topic of the talk rather than have a general arguement about the pros and cons of EU membership.

    December 3, 2012

  • Marcello

    Oops... I accidentally deleted a comment and possibly a couple of replies... sorry about that,was trying to expand it on the phone and got the wrong button

    December 2, 2012

  • Andrea

    This article might illuminate what people mean when complaining about EU bureaucracy and expenses http://blogs.ft.com/the-world/2012/11/how-to-cut-europes-bureaucracy/?ftcamp=traffic/email/content/editor//memmkt#axzz2DR46D79A

    November 27, 2012

    • Wilfried

      This article is a classic media report that signifies most Brussels reporting in the UK. Journalists mix and match "highlights" from past and present with no recognisable references, constructing a story that gets accepted by the editors as it is juicy enough. And most UK readers would not know better and indeed just find confirmed what they have read previously in (English) papers and saw on TV Or listened to on the radio. And so the recycling of EU myths and misinformation goes on. And just to make clear, I'm not happy with everything that the EU does. But UK EU politics and this countries related media reporting are a shame.

      November 27, 2012

  • Maja

    I'd really appreciate if ALL interested parties come to the event and the debate afterwards rather than vent their frustrations here. Thank you!

    November 27, 2012

    • Andrea

      Totally agree! It would be splendid if more people who contribute to this online discussion would come than after the secularism event at the George :-).

      November 27, 2012

  • Andrea

    Tom, totally agree with you, fundamentalism is for the pub, however, it makes people reflect and provokes replies :-).
    In my opinion, the EU messes up various things, they are far too bureaucratic to be efficient and there is always a cacophony of national interests - and I will never understand the outrageous fees representatives there are paid. However, even if slow as hell, they sometimes do some good stuff, just to mention the EU parliament finally closing loopholes in the shark finning legislation...

    November 26, 2012

    • Andrea

      Another issue is that representatives struggle to think European - they are elected by their national voters and have to sell them what they can do in Brussels/Strassbourg for their local concerns. A German voter e.g. can only elect a German representative for the EU parliament, (even if he might prefer the ideas of a Finish one...) Despite national interests already being represented in the Council, which in my opinion frequently causes damage.

      November 27, 2012

    • Andrea

      I agree that the European parliament is the institution which acts most “European”. The comparison with the Bundestag is a good one, in Berlin you also have representatives elected via the lists in the federal states, and they also try to represent federal interests, however, in Berlin the general German legislation brings it all under one roof. And yes, Dennis, contrary to the Bundesrat, the Council in the EU far too often has the power to put national interests first.

      November 27, 2012

  • Wilfried

    Neil you write "People who have the right to vote"...and don't use it, judging by our election statistics. I know British pubs can be very nice but not voting? Above that, it angers me too that I have built businesses and helped creating many jobs in this country and I have no say in how the tax money from it is spent by bureaucratic Whitehall and political party ideology driven policies.

    November 27, 2012

  • Maja

    Neil, we usually have the debate AFTER the event. You have declared your interest, you're a euroscepric and you'll be in the company of some other eurosceptics if you make it to the talk. The European Club welcomes eurosceptics. You can ask your eurosceptic questions at the talk.After the talk you'll be able to share your oppinion with the rest of the interested participants. In my experience people who discuss prior to the event rarely show up, so do try to come. Debates are always better live!

    November 27, 2012

  • Maja

    I look forward to an interesting post talk debate. Sitting on two chairsmeans you usually fall in the middle.

    1 · November 25, 2012

    • Tom D.

      Perhaps everyone can try to get two chairs each in the post-talk debate in the pub, to test your theory in practice, Maja. Or maybe just the "don't knows" should do it?

      November 26, 2012

  • Maja

    Aldwych it is, sometimes the map gives a wrong location. Please check the LSE web site for lication details.

    November 26, 2012

  • Anthony

    Blaming Europe talk: I thought Hong King Theatre, Clement House was by Aldwych? The Google map on the Meet Up site points to the location being off Southampton Row?

    November 26, 2012

  • Wilfried

    This is an ongoing interesting discussion, which featured regularly in the Europe in London round-table discussions, started in 2001 in Islington for students and academics. Chatham House and the European Movement featured panel discussions on this subject. Hopefully, someone will be able to make a credible comparison with a history of EU media reporting on the Continent. There is an interesting Masters Dissertation out in Germany covering the German language media coverage.

    November 9, 2012

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