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Does Infinity Exist?

  • Dec 8, 2012 · 2:00 PM

Open a maths book and you'll see the infinity sign on almost every page. But is there such a thing ? Can there be? My answer is firmly, No. There is (presumably) the 'non-finite', that concerning which all measurement is irrelevant, but this domain is not accessible to rational thought and experiment, only to mysticism. There is no such thing as the 'infinitely large' or the 'infinitely small', because "If there were no limits there would be nothing" (Parmenides). All phenomena are discrete and all actual entities (as opposed to mathematical ones) have an upper and lower size limit. This principle has radical repercussions: it means, for example, that there is a smallest interval of time, the ksana, during which no change can take place, also a smallest measure of length (no name yet). I believe that during this century science will determine the number of ksanas to a second and the number of 'base-spaces' to a metre and infinity will go the way of phlogiston and the philosopher's stone.

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  • A former member
    A former member

    Hi All,

    Well I supposed to come on Saturday but I didn't, personal reasons. Anyway, I will make sure, or I will try to come to the next meetup.

    Same topic ? Its very interesting and I really want to talk about.

    Infinity, yes it is in every maths book but I guess our life, our world and how we've been raised make our brain thinks that infinity does not exist and its difficult to imagine that. Anyway that's for another time.

    Adam

    December 9, 2012

  • A former member
    A former member

    Hi everyone. I've had a lovely day wondering around Battersea park looking for futurists. I got to the peace pagoda at 2:15. Had you moved? I then went to the exact point referenced on this meetup. Nice spot but no futurists. Better luck for me next time. Hope talk went well. Shannon

    December 8, 2012

    • Wilfried

      We had our talk at the Pagoda but did hide in a corner of the West-facing stairs to avoid the cold wind and catch a bit if sunshine. However, we still were freezing cold by 3pm. It was all a bit unfortunate and a total of only 7 attending. Still, some interesting discussions could have developed further as the subject and its given presentation provoked a couple of responses and questions that were left open as, in the end, all were keen to find a warm place, which appears to be something difficult in Battersea Park.

      December 8, 2012

    • Eva

      Hi Shannon. The wind moved us..It was beyond our control...Didn't you notice the bluish icy powder all over the Pagoda? That was us! Sebastian was passionate about the subject and kept on jumping up and down to keep alive! This event needs to be reorganized, it has the potential to turn exciting.

      December 9, 2012

  • terence f.

    Only a few gathered to hear Sebastians collections of theories The three approaches he used need further discussion.

    December 9, 2012

  • Andrea

    I just wanted to do new friends to improve my english and I thought that meet up was a good method. But I can see that all your comments are very interesting but I can't understand whole meaning, so maybe this beautiful group is not adapt for me, good day for everyone!! :)

    December 8, 2012

    • Andrea

      Thanks for your wise advice!!

      December 8, 2012

    • David W.

      Hi Andrea - In my experience, London Futurists are a friendly, open bunch, who are happy to explore hard topics together even when we don't fully grasp them :-)

      1 · December 8, 2012

  • Eva

    Hi Nate

    I am not sure about the context of your comments but they made me go to the Meetup website to see what is going on!. Was there any discussion going on “behind the scenes” which provoked airing your views?

    I am not an expert on infinity (I wish I was!) and I don’t know what if any would be the practical/technological applications of various ideas connected with this topic. However, I am interested in the impact of the concept (and research) of infinity (or lack of it) on human psyche and through this on religious and maybe cultural beliefs (they in turn often lead to important social changes). Not everything has to be limited to the understanding and application in material sense. The source of any creation is after all our mind and our thoughts

    Eva

    December 7, 2012

  • Nate W.

    "Open a maths book and you'll see the infinity sign on almost every page."

    No, you wont.

    That's clearly not true. In fact, it's so far removed from the truth that it voids everything you were going to say. How can you be an authority on the future if you make sensationalist fabrications about mundane, everyday things in the present? Things that are very, very easily reputed. If you're going to exaggerate such boring, trivial facts why would I entertain your ideas when it comes to something that can't be easily verified?

    December 7, 2012

  • terence f.

    Robert
    Will you be sharing your mobile number before Saturday?
    Terry

    December 2, 2012

  • David W.

    London Futurists interested in this meeting "Does Infinity Exist" will likely also enjoy the material in David Deutsch's latest book "The Beginning of Infinity: Explanations that Transform The World" http://www.amazon.co.uk/The-Beginning-Infinity-Explanations-Transform/dp/0140278168/.

    This is a real tour-de-force, absolutely jam-packed with thought-provoking ideas about infinity, physics, the multiverse, apparent fine-tuning of fundamental constants, rationality, evolution, computation, progress, epistemology, sociology, and why some explanations are good and others ("the gods did it", and more) are bad...

    Disclaimer: I'm still only around 60% of the way through reading this (actually, I'm listening to an audio version), but what I've heard so far has given me plenty to think about

    November 22, 2012

  • Eva

    Then don't think about it too hard Jonathan - you need your sanity to discuss other topics and to attend more meetings

    November 21, 2012

  • A former member
    A former member

    This question will drive you utterly insane if you think hard about it

    November 20, 2012

  • terence f.

    Upstairs at the Prince Albert perhaps
    http://www.geronimo-inns.co.uk/theprincealbert/

    November 14, 2012

  • A former member
    A former member

    To be honest, I don't really mind where, outside is good as long as its not raining and even if it does we can move to the pub or something.

    November 13, 2012

  • Robert G M.

    Dear friends, Unable to find a suitable, relatively cheap and central venue, I hit upon the idea of assembling at the Peace Pagoda, Battersea Park. If not raining and not too cold, we can talk there, otherwise repair to nearby Cafe/benches. In the tradition of the Greeks, why not return to having our science and philosophy in the open air? If people don't want this, I can maybe find somewhere for the Sunday afternoon.

    November 13, 2012

  • Robert G Mules changed the location from Peace Pagoda to Pagoda

    November 13, 2012

  • Robert G Mules changed the location from The Lamb to Peace Pagoda

    November 13, 2012

  • Dirk B.

    Smallest measures of length and time are Planck Length and Planck Time
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planck_units

    November 9, 2012

  • Robert G M.

    Unfortunately, "The Lamb" is not available for this date or others just now. I can book the Phoenix Artists Club which is very central (Charing Cross Road) for the Sunday the 9th same time (2 pm), do those interested want me to do this or to look for another venue for the Saturday 8th? Please give your opinions on this. Robert

    November 9, 2012

  • Robert G M.

    My question is technical. What's the procedure for 'booking' the proposed venue which, somewhat at random, I sited at "The Lamb" (because it's central) ? Do I have to do anything, e.g. pay for room in advance ? Robert Mules

    October 29, 2012

    • David W.

      Different venues have different systems. I've been at meetings in the upstairs room at the Lamb before (e.g. London Science) and agree that it could be a good venue, but have not spoken to any of the organisers there. Perhaps someone else reading this has relevant experience here?

      October 29, 2012

  • Robert G Mules changed the date and time to Saturday, December 08, 2012 at 2:00 PM

    October 27, 2012

  • Robert G Mules changed the location to The Lamb

    October 26, 2012

  • A former member
    A former member

    Central London or South west London, Kingston any day next week, any time I am flexible.

    October 25, 2012

  • Robert G M.

    Where/when do those interested want to meet up? Robert

    October 25, 2012

  • Stephen A.

    I would be very interested in attending this session - subject to time and date, I would be travelling from Suffolk - because it has some real implications for how we envisage the future, and it touches upon such things as limiting factors, which many observers fail to fully account for.

    October 24, 2012

  • David W.

    Hmm, I'm not sure this merits a meetup. What is the futurist angle? More specifically, what changes in technology (or society) would follow from a realisation that there is a smallest interval of time and/or space?

    October 11, 2012

    • A former member
      A former member

      It would be very long and very interesting discussion and after hours, weeks, years and ages we would not find and answer...

      October 22, 2012

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