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Re: [ljc] Looking for JavaEE gurus/enthusiasts

From: Gerald L.
Sent on: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 6:49 PM

i hear your frustration about community contribution to the Java
standards, which has been painfully low from the first day of the JCP.
There are of course good reasons for that, but maybe this is not the
place to discuss them (a JCP mailing list would be more appropriate).
However, venting your anger by being condescending about my post is
not a solution.

My good-natured allusion to Luigi's XML-speak shouldn't have
distracted you from the content of that XML tag (disclaimer: irony!)
which was a heart-felt praise (without going into any detail) for the
elegance of the JavaEE 6 programming model, which indeed, as Luigi
said, is a huge step in the "right" direction. I've also tried to
convey that software development professionals unfortunately need to
be somewhat narrow in the technologies they embrace, as they need to
invest considerable time, money, brain capacity and passion into these
technologies in order to master them. My posting made it clear that i
chose to make that investment into JavaEE, which directly challenged
Luigis's statement that there is "not much interest at all among ljc
members for jee".

Now that's a very long posting to express the same sentiments as in my
original contribution, which were important enough for me to want to
state, but not important enough to write an essay about: is that
verbosity really needed to preserve your cherished "standard of
discourse" on this list?


On 20 Jun 2012, at 18:18, Richard Warburton <[address removed]> wrote:

>> <denial>i'm seriously interested - and heavily emotionally and
>> intellectually invested - in JavaEE and am absolutely enthused by JavaEE
>> 6!</denial>
>> http://www.gerald...­
> There's a load of standards in the JavaEE space that could, at time of
> conception, been vastly improved with open and constructive feedback
> from the wider community.  That's still a problem today, and still a
> problem on an ongoing basis.  In the core Java space we've been very
> successful in getting a lot of feedback and assistance to Expert
> Groups on several JSRs, especially 335 and 310 and JCP members are
> actively serving on several other Expert groups and trying to move
> towards a status of community-driven, rather than vendor-driven
> standards.  We're keen to try to extend this effort out to other areas
> of the JCP.
> Unfortunately when you post an unnecessarily immature and snarky
> response to a thread that was, root cause, an honest enquiry it really
> does frustrate me.  Most of the mails that go here are either about
> events or entirely reasonable discussion of technology in general, and
> Java in particular.  We have a level of discourse that standards far
> above the average for an internet based forum, where people frequently
> choose snark and immaturity over informed discussion of the issues.
> I'd like to see this standard maintained, rather than descend slowly
> towards the level of Reddit or Hacker News.
> regards,
>  Richard
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