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Re: [ljc] BSc or MSc

From: David H.
Sent on: Saturday, June 30, 2012 10:10 AM
Hi Barry, all,

2p;

Q, Advantages of MSc over BSc?
A, Chances are you will be higher up the CV pile unless the CV sifter 
has a distaste for academic individuals.

Q, Is software engineering good?
A, Depends on your vocation, for technical IT roles, I would say yes.

Q, <Barry's curve ball "thoughts in this space">
A, Wide subject area Barry, I will guess a surrogate question and hope 
its near the mark of your curiosity
     What good does it do the holder of the degree?
     From a financial perspective; Your more likely to get a good paid 
job. Hiring is mostly risk mitigation i.e. which resources are more 
likely to be good quality and not turn out to be a waste of time, 
academia is (generally) some proof of intelligent behavior (on its own, 
without experience, it does not score as high), the rest you hope to 
glean in the interview <yes, those without can be just intelligent, that 
wasn't the point, depth of experience is just as valid but harder to asses>
     From an professional perspective; If you want to be at the top of 
your game, put the effort in, if you love the subject, this will be 
rewarding in itself.

With sincere respect and appreciation to this fine body of individuals.

David.

On 25/06/[masked]:14, Mikhail Krivoshein wrote:
>
> I think some people here underestimate value of a computer science 
> degree. In my experience most candidates without one cannot answer 
> simple questions like propose an algorithm that does something funny 
> with a set of data (traversing a graph in a special way for example) 
> or assess a complexity of a given algorithm or fail to take benefit of 
> task constraints (say if dataset is small you can compute the answer 
> by brute force of modern CPU) or don't know basics of computer 
> networks and computer architecture (say compare cost of moving tons of 
> data over network versus complexity of maintaining and supporting 
> stored procedures).
>
> I understand in some roles it doesn't matter much but typically it 
> puts such a candidate at huge disadvantage when standard recruitment 
> techniques are used.
>
> Kind regards,
> Mikhail Krivoshein
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> On Jun 25,[masked]:19 PM, "Michael Barker" <[address removed] 
> <mailto:[address removed]>> wrote:
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>     If you have good idea of the area that you want to get into and
>     that area requires a greater depth of theoretical understanding
>     (e.g. compilers, computer graphics) a post-grad qualification
>     could help.  On the flip side I did a little bit of post-grad and
>     that year was the most interesting of the 4 I spent at university.
>
>     If you are just interested in general programming and getting a
>     decent paying job and are less interested in a more specialist
>     area, probably getting into the work force and gaining experience
>     may be the best option.
>
>     Mike.
>
>     On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 12:32 PM, Craig Silk <[address removed]
>     <mailto:[address removed]>> wrote:
>
>         That's an interesting opinion from Alex in regards to the PhD.
>         My long term ambition is to get a PhD but I'm in no way ready
>         to commit  myself full time. I think this is more of a long
>         term goal.
>
>         I'm planning to start a part time MSc towards the end of the
>         year in Computer Science. I know that this won't really make
>         me anymore employable but I think it will make it easier for
>         me to get into a PhD later on (we're talking years  ahead).
>
>         As others have mentioned, it will also make it slightly easier
>         to pass any immigration / visa process as these sorts of
>         processes generally favour a higher level of education
>         (certificates).
>
>         I wouldn't bother with an MSc if it's purely for enhancing
>         your career UNLESS you come from a non Computer Science or
>         Software Engineering background and you're looking to fill a
>         formal educational gap or trying to break into your first
>         technology role. Generally, experience is preferred over
>         anything else.
>
>
>         Craig
>
>
>         On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 10:35 AM, alexander sharma
>         <[address removed]
>         <mailto:[address removed]>> wrote:
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>             Hi
>
>             I received a BSc in Software Engineering and then did a
>             MSc in Computer Science. Now I am currently preparing for
>             an MBA.
>             If you enjoyed your BSc degree in computer science or
>             software engineering I would definetly go for an MSc its a
>             good extension.
>
>             If you want to do research etc I would straight away start
>             doing a PHD.
>
>             Alex
>
>             On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 6:55 AM, Barry Cranford
>             <[address removed] <mailto:[address removed]>> wrote:
>
>                 Hey guys,
>
>                 We recently had a conversation about the relevance of
>                 an MBA to a Software Engineer's career. How about an MSc?
>
>                 I have had this question come directly to me:
>
>                 "I am a graduate in Computer Science Engineering. I
>                 want to study the MSc course in Software Engineering.
>                 I would like to know the advantages of a Masters
>                 degree over a Bachelors degree and is Software
>                 Engineering a good field to specialise in?"
>
>                 I'm keen to get your thoughts in this space. How do
>                 you personally view it?
>
>                 Thanks,
>                 Barry
>
>
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