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Re: [ljc] "I've never been a true believer in the Agile method"

From: Linesh
Sent on: Saturday, June 15, 2013 12:39 PM
Agile came into existence because waterfall method was failing.
Using waterfall method for a 2 year project which goes wrong (e.g. incorrect requirements due to end users not engaged, only BAs consulted) you know about failure after two years.
Evrything else same using Agile you finish one eighth part of that project as an independent deliverable and find that failure in 3 months.
Which one is better?
I believe in Agile(blended to suit my needs).

From: Jon Hatfield <[address removed]>
To: [address removed]
Sent: Friday, June 14,[masked]:05 PM
Subject: Re: [ljc] "I've never been a true believer in the Agile method"

I agree with applying agile in a manner that suits you. I find daily scrum meetings the most useful so everyone is up to date with each other. Aside from that I prefer a project management approach i.e.(changeable) milestones and strict use of e.g. jira to plan (again in a changeable way).


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----- Reply message -----
From: "Martijn Verburg" <[address removed]>
Date: Fri, Jun 14,[masked]:59
Subject: [ljc] "I've never been a true believer in the Agile method"
To: <[address removed]>

My suggestion is that people read the original manifesto and apply it in a
manner that best suits themselves and their organisation.

Anyone who's seen my Diabolical Developer and Modern Software Development
Anti-Pattern (with Ben) rants to know my opinions on this particular
subject, yes Scrum is a pyramid scheme ;-).


On 14 June[masked]:28, Ged Byrne <[address removed]> wrote:

> Because I want facts, not opinions.  I certainly don't want beliefs.  Only
> placebo's require belief.  "Belief" is what I object to, not "Agile."
> Because In the beginning it was about uncovering better ways of developing
> software.  Now I have come to associate the "Agile" approach with dogma and
> mantra.  Many keep insisting that the best way to develop software has
> already been uncovered.  I think we still have a long way to go.
> Because, to paraphrase Wilde, whenever everybody agrees with something I
> always feel it must be wrong.
> On 14 June[masked]:11, Shaine <[address removed]> wrote:
>> Just for curiosity, why do you believe in the Agile method?
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