Re: [ljc] Recommendations for JSPs/servlets and Spring training courses in London?

From: Stéphane
Sent on: Thursday, August 8, 2013 10:03 AM
Considering Spring as bunch of xml config files is a bit old school to be fair. You miss:
- Java config style, now including for Spring Security
- Spring Integration DSL (Scala and Groovy)

Play is definitely an excellent framework, shines for small teams and web front, so does Grails. But the latest integrates from ground with Spring, and Spring shines on large-scale architecture (considering a front web app + integration layer and service modules linked all together through RabbitMQ/Spring Integration). Where Play reuse a nice web standard (Rails style), derived from Grails on the JVM but heavily oriented toward Scala (imo, an opinionated language but thats another thing and maybe a good one), Spring brings standard and convention over configuration to the whole system. And as for today it seems that JEE is far from competing with all of Spring stack, however its good to see core Spring features standardized over time.

(disclaimer, I'm a SpringSource/Pivotal employee)


On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 9:37 AM, Wesley Hall <[address removed]> wrote:
Paul,

JSP is considered deprecated as a view technology for JSF, not deprecated as a technology.

JSP and Spring MVC is still a very nice way of delivering page centric web stuff. The JSTL and the .tag file thing made JSP quite nice to work with in my opinion.

I tend to use Wicket rather than JSF for the more component based stuff but that's only because I looked at JSF early on and got scared off. I should probably give it another look.


On 8 Aug 2013, at 07:11, Paul Verity <[address removed]> wrote:

> Isn't JSF considered a modern web app technology? It appears that this and Facelets are the recommended technologies to use from JEE 7 onwards, with JSP now considered a deprecated technology in that release.
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> On 7 Aug 2013, at 19:07, James Harrison <[address removed]> wrote:
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>> FYI, it's called Java Enterprise Edition nowadays. It hasn't been called J2EE since May 11, 2006. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J2ee#Version_history.
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>> On 7 Aug 2013, at 15:12, Luke Daley <[address removed]> wrote:
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>>> J2EE has a very skewed view of HTTP. It's more valuable to learn the nuts and bolts of HTTP as most non J2EE alternatives embrace it at a more fundamental level than J2EEs representation of it.
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