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Re: [ljc] How to think as "functional language programer" - Both viewpoints are correct. There's definitely some concept of evolving "state" within the program as a whole, but you never mutate state within a named variable. Taken to the ext Kevin W. Oct 2, 2013 2:25 PM
Re: [ljc] How to think as "functional language programer" - Hi Michael, It's not nitpicking - it's a valid correction, so thanks! :-), one of my (many) faults is that I never quite explain FP properly :-| Cheers, Martijn V. Oct 2, 2013 2:00 PM
RE: [ljc] How to think as "functional language programer" - Matt P. Oct 2, 2013 1:50 PM
Java EE 7 Developer Handbook by our own Peter Pilgrim - Hi all, One of the amazing things about this community is the number of thought leaders, book authors and speakers we have. I spotted recently that Peter's book on the recently released Java EE 7 has come out, so cong Martijn V. Oct 2, 2013 1:48 PM
Re: [ljc] How to think as "functional language programer" - As Martijn correctly stated, experience with Smalltalk will help, as will experience with LOGO, or Lisp, or *any* other declarative language - including SQL. It also helps to remember that the core paradigm shift here is Kevin W. Oct 2, 2013 1:31 PM
Re: [ljc] How to think as "functional language programer" - On Wed,[masked] at 05:38 -0400, Sivaji wrote: > Hi all, > recently I have started learning Scala course offered by coursera (by > martin odersky) but I am still not getting the crux of it by writing > programs in functional way. Most of the time I Russel W. Oct 2, 2013 12:17 PM
Re: [ljc] How to think as "functional language programer" - Hi Sivaji I took the Programming Languages course on Coursera the last time it was offered and highly recommend it.  It uses several languages to explain th Ralitsa S. Oct 2, 2013 12:15 PM
Re: [ljc] How to think as "functional language programer" - This is my main problem, Im glad other people have it as well. Im going through SICP and learning Scheme and Clojure currently, yet years of thinking in OO and doing Java dev have broken my mind and everytim Alex F. Oct 2, 2013 12:02 PM
Re: [ljc] How to think as "functional language programer" - I agree. I don't consider myself to be an experienced functional progr Gareth W. Oct 2, 2013 11:57 AM
Re: [ljc] How to think as "functional language programer" - Best advice - don't panic and stick with it! It will come. > It can perhaps help to force yourself in Java to declare every variable > final, in this way you will be working with immutable data and you will > also start to write your Java code in a m Rob S. Oct 2, 2013 11:51 AM
Re: [ljc] How to think as "functional language programer" - On oct 2, 2013, at 2:43 p.m., Martijn Verburg wrote: > This mimics one common aspect of pure FP in that you never change state, e.g. 2 + 4 = 6 - When you add 2 to 4, you're not changing the value of either 2 or 4, you're appl Michael K. Oct 2, 2013 11:48 AM
Re: [ljc] How to think as "functional language programer" - Hi Sivaji, Thanks for speaking up about this - I think a lot of developers who have been using Java and other OO languages for a long time can and do need time to swap to the functional methodology. It's *not* because Martijn V. Oct 2, 2013 11:42 AM
Re: [ljc] How to think as "functional language programer" - I'd suggest "The Little Schemer", which is itself a rewrite of the earlier "The Little LISPer" - a small booklet whose sole purpose is to get you to think recursively. Fox -- "To unders @sleepyfox Oct 2, 2013 11:25 AM
Re: [ljc] How to think as "functional language programer" - My main piece of advice would be simply to stick with it. The Coursera "FP in Scala" course is a decent introduction (I had my team of OO developers take it, at my last job). It might feel like you are spraining Joel G. Oct 2, 2013 10:45 AM
Re: [ljc] How to think as "functional language programer" - It can perhaps help to force yourself in Java to declare every variable final, in this way you will be working with immutable data and you will also start to write your Java code in a more functional style. Adam R. Oct 2, 2013 10:41 AM
Fwd: [ec] 1 October 2013 EC ballot reminder: two items for voting - Hi all, I know ME isn't a strong part of the London's tech scene, but talking to a bunch of companies at J1 made me realise that people are excited again with the direction of where it's going (convergence wit Martijn V. Oct 2, 2013 7:20 AM
Additional talk added to this event: 17th October at Skills Matter - Hi everyone, We announced the first part of this event - "First Kill All the Product Owners" - last week and Anji C. Oct 2, 2013 6:31 AM
How to think as "functional language programer" - Hi all, recently I have started learning Scala course offered by coursera (by martin odersky) but I am still not getting the user 8. Oct 1, 2013 10:15 PM
LJC Open Conference 2013 - Hey, Remember last year, we held a KICK @SS LJC Open Conference ? Well we're doing it again this year! EPIC WIN ! This is a save the date email, so if you're interested in attending pleas Simon M. Oct 1, 2013 9:40 PM
Re: [ljc] Career/Hiring Clinic - Developers and Employers welcome - We're on Shelton Street in Covent Garden: http://recworks.co.uk/contact.­htm Barry C. Oct 1, 2013 5:28 PM
Re: [ljc] Career/Hiring Clinic - Developers and Employers welcome - and your address is? On 1 October[masked]:49, Barry Cranford < [address removed] > wrote: @sleepyfox Oct 1, 2013 3:55 PM
Career/Hiring Clinic - Developers and Employers welcome - Hi guys, We have recently got a new meeting room at RecWorks and as mentioned on the list last week, we are open t Barry C. Oct 1, 2013 3:47 PM
2D Platform game born from the LJC - Some good news to start off your week... Alongside developing a lot of technical talent and careers, th Barry C. Sep 30, 2013 8:54 AM
plain JDBC - Preview not available Serbulent Sep 29, 2013 2:01 AM
Re: [ljc] Call for ideas: JAX London Community Night - Hey everyone, Please do check out the list and let Barry / myself know what your preferences are. We've got Mark H. Sep 26, 2013 3:22 PM
Agile Tour - Hi all, Some friends of mine are organising the Agile Tour London 2013 Conference which is taking place on Friday 1st November. Agile Tour is a non-profit organisation whic Lee S. Sep 25, 2013 8:59 PM
Re: [ljc] HTC - I'm struggling to see how this relates to *Java* or the JVM. Maybe you should select a more relevant mailing list and formulate your questions better: http://www.catb.or Dave S. Sep 25, 2013 3:42 PM
Call for ideas: JAX London Community Night - Hey guys, I have been speaking with the organisers of JAX London and they have asked if there is anyone we would e Barry C. Sep 25, 2013 10:49 AM
HTC - Hi I wanted to ask if anyone knows the threats of substitutes there are for HTC and the power of HTC's suppliers and Customers  alexander s. Sep 25, 2013 10:26 AM
Re: [ljc] Events from our Partners - LJC - 25th Sept: Working Women (and Men!), Technology and Social Change. Are working women shaping a new society? - Preview not available Anji C. Sep 24, 2013 8:08 PM
What to Expect - Introduction to Cassandra and the DataStax CQL Java driver for Java Developers - Tonight 24/9/13 at 18:15 - Anji C. Sep 24, 2013 11:49 AM
Re: [ljc] Java developer education on cv - I created this collaborative Google Doc: Barry C. Sep 23, 2013 6:49 AM
What to Expect - LJC/GDC: 'ClojureFest with LJC and London Clojurians' - Tonight 19/9/13 6:30pm - Anji C. Sep 19, 2013 12:06 PM
Re: [ljc] Java developer education on cv - You've just described (and recreated) the Java Certified Developer/Programmer exams from Oracle! It is interesting that no-one has mentioned these - does no-one sit them or employers value them anymore? robert a. Sep 19, 2013 11:11 AM
Re: [ljc] Java developer education on cv - Hi Joe, Thanks for this. I just wanted to clarify my thoughts, to make sure it was clear where I was co Barry C. Sep 19, 2013 10:55 AM
Re: [ljc] Java developer education on cv - Barry As per Joseph's three cents, folks are producing CVs to get a job. Any kind of qualifying statement regards their skill level, point in practise will be subject to the same vagaries and variances it is now and I James Sep 18, 2013 10:36 PM
Re: [ljc] Java developer education on cv - And Java util concurrent package provides you all tools without tying you with the limitation of a framework. Linesh. Sent using BlackBerry® from Orange From: "@sleepyfox" <[address removed]> Linesh Sep 18, 2013 8:43 PM
Re: [ljc] Java developer education on cv - Let's count facts. Fact: whatever Antonio Di F. Sep 18, 2013 8:02 PM
Re: [ljc] Java developer education on cv - I agree with "programming and design". Design is really important and some developers with good code skills overlook it. I would say that modelling the business, extracting the information you need from people, common sense an Jon H. Sep 18, 2013 7:45 PM
Re: [ljc] Java developer education on cv - Yes according to this guy's  blog post ;) http://hackerjobs.co.uk/blog/2­013/3/26/don-t-specify-x-years­-of-experience Jordan S. Sep 18, 2013 6:18 PM
Re: [ljc] Java developer education on cv - On 18 Sep[masked]:00, "Joseph Odanmen" < [address removed] > wrote: > I get asked multi threading questions every interview I go for and to be honest, though I can answer thes @sleepyfox Sep 18, 2013 6:10 PM
RE: [ljc] Java developer education on cv - Sorry for crashing your discussion (as a Java undergrad) but shahin z. Sep 18, 2013 5:40 PM
Re: [ljc] Java developer education on cv - Hi Barry, Thinking about your question,what about having a word cloud or word tag to represent the keywords list? The list would only contain the technologies that the candidate has worked with and his/her level of Gemma Sep 18, 2013 2:40 PM
Re: [ljc] Java developer education on cv - Thanks for all the responses guys, I really appreciate it. @James - I totally agree that hand reviewing CVs i Barry C. Sep 18, 2013 1:56 PM
Re: [ljc] Java developer education on cv - Apologies, went on a rant and forgot to answer the actual question. In my opinion, there is no need for education on a CV for people with over 5 years experience. Experience now counts a lot more than academia from the point onwards. Joseph O. Sep 18, 2013 1:32 PM
Re: [ljc] Java developer education on cv - Hi, Richard W. Sep 18, 2013 1:27 PM
Re: [ljc] Java developer education on cv - My 3 cents - my opinion has got to be worth more than 2 cents :) So we see CVs with a list of Skills that people have barely used and we are surprised? We are talking about getting a job so as to be able to pay the bills. To get my CV Joseph O. Sep 18, 2013 1:18 PM
Re: [ljc] Java developer education on cv - Barry Throwing in my two cents, I find the skill lists problematic.  Often we see candidates listing skills of technologies they have used in passing (at best) or that have been used on a project James Sep 18, 2013 12:18 PM
Re: [ljc] Java developer education on cv - Regarding the skills matrix, one of the things I really *want* to work is something like LinkedIn endorsements, but it's just a massively abused system with people endorsing me for technologies that *I* know that *they* have no idea if Colin V. Sep 18, 2013 12:03 PM
Re: [ljc] Java developer education on cv - Hi Barry, Regarding skills matrix, I was thinking of using a wordmap (weights given to each word/skill). This does not solve the problem of subjectivity but allows to express your experience with a relativity betwee Tomasz W. Sep 18, 2013 10:06 AM
Re: [ljc] Java developer education on cv - Isn't what you're doing the very definition of discrimination? On 16 September[masked]:58, Christian Mallwitz < Craig S. Sep 18, 2013 9:57 AM
Re: [ljc] Java developer education on cv - This is exactly my point. The truth is that the best role in London, for you, may be sitting behi Barry C. Sep 18, 2013 9:47 AM
What to Expect: The London Developer Sessions - Tonight at 18:30 - Anji C. Sep 17, 2013 11:24 AM
Fwd: LJC General invite to Google Cloud Platform event in London - Hi all, I know many of you are exploring the idea of running your Java/JVM apps in 'the cloud'.  Google has one such offering and have an event in London that yo Martijn V. Sep 16, 2013 2:12 PM
Network programming with Java - Hi all I work for Cisco where we are developing new Java APIs that provide access to, and control over, networking functions on Cisco platforms. This is conceptually similar to Software Driven Networks (SDN), but with full access to, and control over, user 1. Sep 16, 2013 1:25 PM
Application defined networks workshop, October 4 - http://www.iasauk-adn.org/ For those interested in the final frontier of programming, this workshop will be of interest in helping you understand how software defined networks (SDN) technology will allow you to programme networks and flows. Regards user 1. Sep 16, 2013 1:24 PM
Re: [ljc] Java developer education on cv - We should remember that Barry often speaks to non-technical people when he is talking to employers. Very often there is an HR or even a specialised recruitment department between the recruiter/candidate and the technical interviewer. robert a. Sep 16, 2013 12:23 PM
Events from our Partners - LJC - Hi guys, It seems like the weather has taken a change and Autumn is settling in, I hope it won't discourage you from getting out for some great events this month. We have been running a series of events called Meet a Mentor events, in whi Samantha h. Sep 16, 2013 12:08 PM
Re: Re: [ljc] Java developer education on cv - +1 to the "I never look at that bit when hiring, nor has it been relevant as far as I know". But. For most developers, your CV needs to appeal to the market you are in. If Barry says he Joel G. Sep 16, 2013 11:05 AM
Re: Re: [ljc] Java developer education on cv - I've done a lot of hiring in my time, oh the joys, and I can honestly say I never look at education on the cv. For seniors, we talk about their past experiences, techs trends, etc. For juniors, it's all about their enthusiasm about Jamie C. Sep 16, 2013 9:51 AM
Re: [ljc] Java developer education on cv - I don't usually disagree with Barry, but in my 25 years in the industry I've never had anyone interested in my A level results, let alone my O levels, even in my first jobs. As an interviewer for more than 15 years, I've found tha @sleepyfox Sep 16, 2013 9:35 AM
Re: [ljc] Java developer education on cv - I guess it depends where you did your degree. I think if you went to Cambridge,UCL, Imperial it would be hard not to have got great A levels.due to the entry requirements..its probably not necessary but if you went to South Bank University, Emma W. Sep 16, 2013 9:00 AM
Re: [ljc] Java developer education on cv - In my opinion... ...from a candidates perspective: If you have high A-levels ( Barry C. Sep 16, 2013 5:49 AM
Re: [ljc] Java developer education on cv - Thanks everyone for the advice, it is very helpful. My cv grew a page from adding more work experience info, I will probably slim it down again by cutting down my education section. Cheers, Jon Sent from my HTC Jon H. Sep 15, 2013 11:03 PM
Re: [ljc] Java developer education on cv - > No one is interested in individual GCSE subjects but I'm suspicious if any qualification's grades are missing entirely (I've read hundreds of CVs when working for consulting firms and missing information is a smell). Exactly - and I want a year to go Christian M. Sep 15, 2013 8:22 PM
mySociety regular hacknights on Wednesdays - For the last few weeks I have been going to regular hack days on Wednesdays with  mySociety. Maybe other people here might be interested. Andrew B. Sep 15, 2013 5:20 PM
Re: [ljc] Java developer education on cv - When hiring, I definitely like to see what degree a candidate has along with the result, though not necessarily much detail about the degree. I don't find results from earlier schooling interesting though. Cheers, Jan S. Sep 15, 2013 11:50 AM
Re: [ljc] Java developer education on cv - Hi Jon, In my view after 5 years of commercial experience you should just mention university and faculty and when you studied there, plus the degree level. Often it makes difference if someone has a computer science degre Mikhail K. Sep 14, 2013 10:32 PM
Re: [ljc] Java developer education on cv - If you had Calculus I, II and III in a reputable university, you certa user 8. Sep 14, 2013 8:19 PM
RE: [ljc] Java developer education on cv - Dmitry Sep 13, 2013 8:11 PM
Re: [ljc] Java developer education on cv - I currently have one line for each - GCSEs (just the g Stephen M. Sep 13, 2013 4:56 PM
Re: [ljc] Java developer education on cv - My university isn't even listed anymore and I have substantially less experience than yourself. The last three jobs (I'm a contractor) didn't even ask. I guess this may bother some employers though. Craig Craig S. Sep 13, 2013 4:47 PM
Re: [ljc] Java developer education on cv - After your first real job, your qualifications are (almost) irrelevant. On 13 Sep[masked]:18, "Jon Hatfield" < [address removed] > wrote: @sleepyfox Sep 13, 2013 4:14 PM
Re: [ljc] Java developer education on cv - Hi Jon, It is actually a good question. I would say the more experience you get maybe the less relevant your degree is. And I say 'maybe' cos it depends what company you are applying for. For instance, in an appli Gemma Sep 13, 2013 4:11 PM
Re: [ljc] Java developer education on cv - From experience of hiring at startup companies (may be different for larger companies with dedicated HR departments): School qualifications: if you have a degree you can safely leave out school qualifications, es Stephen H. Sep 13, 2013 2:43 PM
Re: [ljc] Java developer education on cv - Good question. I like CVs written with the most recent experience first and then working backwards, with progressively less detail. My own CV has a detailed description of my current job (technologies and respo robert a. Sep 13, 2013 1:50 PM
Re: [ljc] Java developer education on cv - If you got a starred first and a knighthood from your degree, i would keep that in perpetuity. If you got a credit a andrew Sep 13, 2013 12:40 PM
Re: [ljc] Great talks on JVM languages - Hi A recent talk in InfoQ, "Clojure, Enemy of the State"  ( http://www.infoq.com/presentat­ions/clojure-data-state-value ) gives a very Ian M. Sep 13, 2013 12:36 PM
Re: [ljc] Java developer education on cv - Hi Jon, It's simply about space. You only have limited space to sell yourself on your CV before it gets too long,  so once you have done quite a few roles they are often more relevant than some of you Olusola F. Sep 13, 2013 12:35 PM
Re: [ljc] Java developer education on cv - Hi Jon, The general rule applied here is, at what point does your professional accomplishments dwarf your secondary education?  For someone lacking professional experience, the only set of accompl Dinuk W. Sep 13, 2013 12:34 PM
Re: [ljc] Java developer education on cv - Hi Jon, After 5 years+, I am Wesley H. Sep 13, 2013 12:28 PM
Re: [ljc] Java developer education on cv - At 6 years I'd definitely drop A-levels and just list that you have a degree.  By that point experience counts for a lot more than your education anyway. On my CV it's just listed at the end with no importance giv Colin V. Sep 13, 2013 12:26 PM
Free Advice (CV / Career / Tech Recruitment) at the Developer Sessions - Next Week - Hi everyone, We have our next London Developer Sessions informal meet up next week - Tuesday 17th Sept at 18:30:&n Anji C. Sep 13, 2013 11:39 AM
Java developer education on cv - Hi all, I have almost 6 years experience as a Java developer and I still put my university, A-level and even some gcse results on my cv. However recently I interviewed some contractors with over 10 years experience and they simply mentioned that th Jon H. Sep 12, 2013 8:01 PM
Re: [ljc] Winners Selected - 48 HR RAFFLE: Skills Matter 2013 - The Spring eXchange - Two Tickets - Hi everyone, I have just had a promo code from Skills Matter. Please use LJC-RAFFLE- Anji C. Sep 12, 2013 7:36 PM
Re: [ljc] Great talks on JVM languages - And at JavaOne in a couple of weeks (another shameless plug) On 12 September[masked]:50, Mark Hazell < Simon M. Sep 12, 2013 2:20 PM
Re: [ljc] Great talks on JVM languages - Simon doing a similar talk at JAX London this year too *shameless plug* :) On 12 Mark H. Sep 12, 2013 10:55 AM
Re: [ljc] Great talks on JVM languages - Simon Maple's JVM languages exploration was also very good at Devoxx UK. Cheers, Martijn On 12 September[masked]:39, Andrzej Grzesik Martijn V. Sep 12, 2013 10:40 AM
Fwd: GS Collections 4.0 Released on GitHub - Hi all, Many of you will remember the Goldman Sach's collections event we had not too long ago.  It really was quite an impressive collections library and so I thought I'd quickly share the news that they've Martijn V. Sep 12, 2013 10:35 AM
RE: [ljc] Great talks on JVM languages - Also like to also add Mani Sep 12, 2013 12:17 AM
RE: [ljc] Great talks on JVM languages - Hi Trish, Take Mani Sep 12, 2013 12:13 AM
Re: [ljc] Great talks on JVM languages - Loves scala - check. Likes good APIs - check. Geeky - check! So: Konrad Malawski's ( twitter.com/ktosopl ) talk about Rogue (Scala + Mongo) is a good one! (and he's London based, just sayin Andrzej G. Sep 11, 2013 11:12 PM
Re: [ljc] Great talks on JVM languages - Hi Trisha! So my personal favourites will probably scare away people starting with Scala, but it's mostly Daniel Spiewak's talks. For more Scala stuff this year's ScalaDays is a gold mine (IMO), starting with for e Konrad M. Sep 11, 2013 11:04 PM
Fwd: [New post] Some changes to the LJC JCP Committee (Q[masked] - Hi all, As per our informal charter we're keeping folks up to date with personnel changes on our JCP committee.  See below for details. Also, our apologies for not having posted recently abou Martijn V. Sep 11, 2013 2:23 PM
Winners announced - 48 HR RAFFLE: 5 free ebooks - "Job Tips For GEEKS: The Job Search" - Hi all, Congratulations to the following 5 who have won an ebook in the recent LJC competition: Anji C. Sep 11, 2013 1:59 PM
Re: [ljc] Great talks on JVM languages - Rich Hickey's "Simple Made Easy" http://www.infoq.com/presentat­ions/Simple-Made-Easy Ged B. Sep 11, 2013 1:39 PM
Re: [ljc] Great talks on JVM languages - Hi Trisha,  I've really enjoyed the various talks Robert Rees has given on Clojure and/or Scala, and think he's an entertaining speaker. Links to his presentations here  Ben K. Sep 11, 2013 1:39 PM
Re: [ljc] Great talks on JVM languages - @stuarthalloway 's talk on "Radical Simplicity" Nigel -- On 11 September[masked]:34, Trisha < @sleepyfox Sep 11, 2013 1:38 PM
Great talks on JVM languages - Hi all, I've been asked to locate some really good talks / speakers on "alternative" JVM languages - Scala & Clojure in particular, but anything JVM-based is up for grabs.   Trisha Sep 11, 2013 1:32 PM
Fwd: [jug-leaders] Oracle Java SE 7u40 Available - Get it while it's hot - lots of incremental G1 improvements as well.... Cheers, Martijn ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Don Martijn V. Sep 10, 2013 10:35 PM

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