Re: [atheists-487] Obama appointment

From: Frances P.
Sent on: Thursday, July 9, 2009 1:34 PM
It isn't his opinion that women are inferior. So he's already shown that he can compartmentalize his religion and science.

We can't ask for anything more.

When you start to pry into people's private fantasies, you come dangerously close to thought crimes and the Inquisition.



--- On Thu, 7/9/09, Darren Gates <[address removed]> wrote:

> From: Darren Gates <[address removed]>
> Subject: Re: [atheists-487] Obama appointment
> To: [address removed]
> Date: Thursday, July 9, 2009, 1:18 PM
> suppose that his opinion was that
> women are inferior to men (this is just an analogy!)...
> 
> Suppose also that his opinion is JUST his private fantasy
> and he never actually denies women any top-level
> appointments, and he treats women in the workplace equally,
> etc.... BUT he write a book about how inferior women are to
> men. Would you want him leading the NIH? I wouldn't.
> 
> My contention is that regardless of his accolades, or even
> his public behavior and work ethic... a single, privately
> held opinion can make someone unqualified.
> 
> Frances Prevas wrote:
> > I have seen nothing that indicates that Collins'
> religion is anything other than his private fantasy, with no
> effect on anything that really matters.
> > 
> > It would be inappropriate or illegal for an
> adminstrator to act on the assumption that women are
> inferior to men, so I'm sure that the Obama adminstration
> has vetted him for that.
> > 
> > There is an Obama appointment that is more worth
> worrying about - Alexia Kelly, a Catholic woman who was
> appointed to one of the "faith based" offices who rejects
> abortion and birth control.
> > 
> > http://www.salon....­
> > 
> > 
> > --- On Thu, 7/9/09, Darren Gates <[address removed]>
> wrote:
> > 
> >???
> >> From: Darren Gates <[address removed]>
> >> Subject: Re: [atheists-487] Obama appointed a
> hold-over Creationist to head NIH?
> >> To: [address removed]
> >> Date: Thursday, July 9, 2009, 12:44 PM
> >> I think that one opinion can change
> >> everything when it comes to qualifications for a
> top
> >> government job.
> >> 
> >> For example, suppose Collins held the opinion that
> women
> >> were inferior to men, *but* suppose that his
> scientific and
> >> management credentials were impeccable. Would he
> be fit to
> >> be the head of the NIH? I don't think so. I see
> his
> >> religious opinions as no less offensive to his
> appointment.
> >> 
> >> YaraMC wrote:
> >>? ???
> >>> Darren, thank you for that article. Frances,
> as an
> >>>? ? ???
> >> older woman, I am all too familiar with the way
> such
> >> believers compartmentalize their "scientific
> discipline" and
> >> still manage to hold on to the belief in the
> inferiority of
> >> women and certain ethnic groups, in the "rightness
> of their
> >> own beliefs and the "wrongness" of others'
> beliefs. Such a
> >> person has no place in a secular government. I
> don't want
> >> his biases clouding his judgment in any way. I
> don't want to
> >> give such as he the chance to "turn to god" in
> moments of
> >> stress.
> >>? ???
> >>> YaraMC
> >>> 
> >>> --- On *Thu, 7/9/09, Darren Gates /<[address removed]>/*
> >>>? ? ???
> >> wrote:
> >>? ???
> >>>? ? ? From: Darren Gates <[address removed]>
> >>>? ? ? Subject: Re:
> [atheists-487]
> >>>? ? ???
> >> Obama appointed a hold-over
> >>? ???
> >>>? ? ? Creationist to head NIH?
> >>>? ? ? To: [address removed]
> >>>? ? ? Date: Thursday, July 9,
> 2009,
> >>>? ? ???
> >> 11:42 AM
> >>? ???
> >>>? ? ? This is a good article by
> my
> >>>? ? ???
> >> hero, Sam Harris:
> >>? ???
> >>>? ? ? http://www.truthd...­
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>>? ? ? Frances Prevas wrote:
> >>>? ? ? > Don't go overboard.
> >>>? ? ? >
> >>>? ? ? > Francis Collins is a
> well
> >>>? ? ???
> >> regarded scientist and administrator,
> >>? ???
> >>>? ? ? and PZ Myers says he will
> make
> >>>? ? ???
> >> a good administrator.
> >>? ???
> >>>? ? ? >
> >>>? ? ? > http://scienceblo...­
> >>>? ? ? >
> >>>? ? ? >
> >>>? ? ? > He's not a Young
> Earth
> >>>? ? ???
> >> Creationist or a Bible literalist. He
> >>? ???
> >>>? ? ? might think that there
> are
> >>>? ? ???
> >> first hand accounts in the New
> >>? ???
> >>>? ? ? Testament, but a fair
> number
> >>>? ? ???
> >> of people think that, even without
> >>? ???
> >>>? ? ? believing that Jesus rose
> from
> >>>? ? ???
> >> the dead.
> >>? ???
> >>>? ? ? >
> >>>? ? ? >
> >>>? ? ? >
> >>>? ? ? > --- On Thu, 7/9/09,
> >>>? ? ???
> >> YaraMC <[address removed]
> >>? ???
> >>>? ? ? </mc/compose?to=[­address removed]>>
> >>>? ? ???
> >> wrote:
> >>? ???
> >>>? ? ? >
> >>>? ? ? >? ? ?
> ???
> >>? ? >> From: YaraMC <[address removed]
> >>? ???
> >>>? ? ? </mc/compose?to=[­address removed]>>
> >>>? ? ? >> Subject: Re:
> >>>? ? ???
> >> [atheists-487] Obama appointed a hold-over
> >>? ???
> >>>? ? ? Creationist to head NIH?
> >>>? ? ? >> To: [address removed]
> >>>? ? ? </mc/compose?to=[­address removed]>
> >>>? ? ? >> Date: Thursday,
> July
> >>>? ? ???
> >> 9, 2009, 10:52 AM
> >>? ???
> >>>? ? ? >> I have been a
> >>>? ? ???
> >> Democrat all my life,
> >>? ???
> >>>? ? ? >> but Obama is
> turning
> >>>? ? ???
> >> out to be following and imitating all
> >>? ???
> >>>? ? ? >> of Bush's
> retrograde
> >>>? ? ???
> >> and anti-woman policies. I will NOT
> >>? ???
> >>>? ? ? >> be voting again
> for
> >>>? ? ???
> >> this man.
> >>? ???
> >>>? ? ? >>
> >>>? ? ? >>
> >>>? ? ? ? 
> >>? ?
> Obama=Bush,Obama=Bus­h,Obama=Bush,Obama=B­ush,Obama=Bush,Obama­=Bush,Obama=Bush,Oba­ma=Bush,
> >>? ???
> >>>? ? ? >>
> >>>? ? ???
> >> Obama=Bush,Obama=Bus­h.
> >>? ???
> >>>? ? ? >>
> >>>? ? ? >> I'm sick and
> tired of
> >>>? ? ???
> >> it.
> >>? ???
> >>>? ? ? >>
> >>>? ? ? >> YaraMC
> >>>? ? ? >> --- On Thu,
> 7/9/09,
> >>>? ? ???
> >> Neil Clark
> >>? ???
> >>>? ? ? >> <[address removed]
> >>>? ? ???
> >> </mc/compose?to=[­address removed]>>
> >> wrote:
> >>? ???
> >>>? ? ? >>
> >>>? ? ? >> From: Neil Clark
> >>>? ? ???
> >> <[address removed]
> >>? ???
> >>>? ? ? </mc/compose?to=[­address removed]>>
> >>>? ? ? >> Subject:
> >>>? ? ???
> >> [atheists-487] Obama appointed a hold-over
> >>? ???
> >>>? ? ? >> Creationist to
> head
> >>>? ? ???
> >> NIH?
> >>? ???
> >>>? ? ? >> To: [address removed]
> >>>? ? ? </mc/compose?to=[­address removed]>
> >>>? ? ? >> Date: Thursday,
> July
> >>>? ? ???
> >> 9, 2009, 10:36 AM
> >>? ???
> >>>? ? ? >>
> >>>? ? ? >> I am all for
> >>>? ? ???
> >> bi-partisan
> >>? ???
> >>>? ? ? >>
> inclusiveness...but
> >>>? ? ???
> >> that doesn't mean that I'll sit
> >>? ???
> >>>? ? ? >> quietly by as a
> >>>? ? ? >>?
> bible-believer
> >>>? ? ???
> >> is placed at the head of the National
> >>? ???
> >>>? ? ? >> Institutes of
> Health
> >>>? ? ???
> >> - presumably to placate a vocal
> >>? ???
> >>>? ? ? >> minority of
> prideful
> >>>? ? ? >> Right-Wing
> >>>? ? ???
> >> know-nothings...
> >>? ???
> >>>? ? ? >>
> >>>? ? ? >>
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> >>>? ? ? >>
> >>>? ? ? >> Neil Clark
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