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Support Torrance Chicken and Bee Legalization

I just got a great message from Sherry that Torrance is moving forward with Chicken and Bee legalization. The next step is to present information to the commissioners.  Here is her message.

“Roberta, may I request a post for LAUCE members to attend the City of Torrance Environmental Commission meeting? They are bringing the item before the commissioners re: bees & chickens on October 3, 2013 @ 7:00 PM, West Annex meeting room, Torrance. A Commission worker strongly urged me to "pass the word along to all those interested" & said she would appreciate it! I recommend anyone in cities who still do not allow chickens to please attend. A "yes" decision could be a boon to other towns.”

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  • annie

    A bunch of us went to the Riviera HOA meeting last night, and Mike Griffiths, the commissioner took a straw vote on the yea or nay's, and there was one old couple who voted against, and the rest for for hens. I approached her respectfully after and asked why she was against, she said that she had no experience with any disagreeable hen keepers, just that she felt that chickens should not be kept in urban cities, any city. So I guess that is actually good, that her feelings against hen keeping is purely on a ideological basis. Just like the commissioner meeting last week, the only person against hen keeping was well over 70 years old. I am not saying all old folks are against the ordinance change, but seems like there is a faction that just does not like the idea. I also attended the Council meeting on Tuesday and spoke to the members. Will keep you posted !! THANK YOU

    October 17, 2013

  • Sherry R.

    What an incredible group of people! Everyone was professional and down-to-earth! I believe the Commission enjoyed our input! Only one person was against it and some of his testimony was inaccurate, such as chickens attracting cockroaches. Everyone was well-prepared and spoke mostly from personal experiences with keeping hens and bees. The Commission has separated the two issues so when it comes before the Council, they will vote on them individually. Great news! I think we should get involved with circulating that petition and help the Commission and Council to realize that just about everyone wouldn’t mind a “return to rural” attitude in our neighborhoods. I want to thank each and every one of you who came before the Commission and spoke in favor of this important issue.

    October 4, 2013

  • emily

    In terms of moving this along from the commission to city council (who will make the final decision), the most helpful comment I heard last night was about the importance of getting a petition going with numbers of signatures that will show a significant percentage of the city in support. (They never defined a number of what would be considered 'significant,' but they did say for a city this size (approx 150,000 people), the current petition with fourty-some signatures is a start, but does not yet make a convincing argument).

    An idea was raised for setting up an info table at the Torrance Farmer's Market, which seems to be an excellent way to reach out and educate more people and get a longer list of signatures as well. Has anyone any information about how this is done?

    October 4, 2013

    • Sherry R.

      Hi, Emily. When I circulated petitions in support of Prop 2, we basically walked around with petitions secured to clipboards. My idea would be to have some folks mingling with the crowd asking for signatures and then directing them to our table for more information. I don't know how to go about getting a table space. Does anyone know? And BTW, Torrance Farmers' Market happens twice a week.

      October 4, 2013

  • Tamlynn

    I wrote a letter to the council and am instructing my husband to take it. Its too big to post here.

    October 1, 2013

  • Sherry R.

    Hey, hen and bee enthusiasts! Looks like this is really moving forward for Torrance. Just received a call from the Daily Breeze. Look for an article in the paper tomorrow, probably page 3. EVERYONE PLEASE ATTEND Thursday, October 3, 7 PM at the West Annex Room of City Hall: 3031 Torrance Blvd. Torrance, CA 90503. City of Torrance Phone: (310) 328-5310. See you there!!!!

    1 · October 1, 2013

  • Tamlynn

    Here is the Torrance code regarding animals. http://www.codepublishing.com/ca/torrance/

    What does everyone here think of asking the council to include the word "hen" in c)?
    [masked] DEFINITIONS.

    a) "Animal" means any living being that is not human or vegetable.

    b) "Small animal" as used in this Article means a cat, dog or rabbit.

    c) "Unusual pets" as used in this Article means any animal not including cat, dog, rabbit, hamster, guinea pig, white rat, mouse, squirrel, canary, parakeet, cockatoo, or any animal usually considered a pet, provided that farm type animals shall not be considered as pets.

    September 26, 2013

  • Roberta K.

    Tamlynn, you're right w should have s list of the neighboring cities. There are lists but most are out of date. Long beach allows 20 fowl. 50ft from residences (not property lines). The new recommendations that did not pass would require inspection by animal control before getting an annual permit. You would have to put put fresh food and water during the night which is silly. LA has no limit on hens. 1 rooster without a permit and a permit for more than permit. Let.me check the setback. Of course therr are placea that are unincorporated parts of palos verdes where you can have unlimited hens and roosters.

    September 26, 2013

  • Tamlynn

    My kids are working on a poster to show the committee about the benefits of backyard chickens. I'm working on a short essay that ill send with husband. Can anyone tell me which neighboring cities allow chickens? Slogging through each city's municipal code is getting tedious.

    September 25, 2013

    • emily

      I know that Manhattan beach allows up to 6 chickens per household.

      September 25, 2013

  • STUART

    Sherry - What happened to the rest that I wrote? Did I just waste my time with this?

    September 25, 2013

    • Roberta K.

      do you mean what you wrote below? There is a link to see all the comments. Currently below you first paragraph there are 9 replies but they only show two. You need to click on the link to show all of the replies. I bet that you just can't see what you wrote but it's there.

      September 25, 2013

    • STUART

      Thank you Robera. Yep, that's it. I'm sorry I wrote so much. I didn't mean to write an e-book. Sometimes it just pours out.

      September 25, 2013

  • STUART

    Do you know if there are any meetup groups for rabbits? They suffer so silently both as animals and in the public. I so rarely hear anything about them and how they suffer, just like chickens except in silence. They're slaughtered for their fur, their meat, their "lucky" feet, etc, and their fur is pulled off while still alive.

    September 25, 2013

    • Roberta K.

      I've tried to look and can't find an active one. If you can find something let me know. I follow Too Many Bunnies on facebook. They are a south bay group that rescues bunnies from the shelter but they don't really act like a group that talks about bunnies and i would love something like that tooo. I'll email you.

      September 25, 2013

  • STUART

    Sherry - What happened to the rest that I wrote here? Did I just waste all of that time?

    September 25, 2013

  • STUART

    I am very upset to see what California allows when chickens can no longer manufacture enough eggs. It's horrendous, it's sickening, it disgusts me and we need new legislation by petition if it has to be to get rid of this sick mentality practice.

    September 23, 2013

    • STUART

      It's such a shame to have to limit a legalization proposal to one species or another because of the politics. That's like settling for crumbs when you really need a meal. That also disgusts me. I think the best way to go about approaching this sort of thing head on is to make it personal to the politicians. Make them feel how this issue affects them and their families personally. Don't talk about it to them like it's some distant issue like everything else. Bees affect our food system and everyone has to eat and there are different ways to go with chickens - the arsenic, hormones, GMO's, chemicals, anti-biotics, and even seeing them humanely by comparing them to pets.

      September 25, 2013

    • STUART

      Well, that's my two cents for what it's worth. At the moment I'm overwhelmed with my own life quagmire but one of these days I'll emerge out of it and be ready to fight on another front.

      September 25, 2013

  • Sue T.

    The current opinion from some of the legalization people around Southern California is that it is probably a mistake to include multiple species in your legalization proposals. In other words, ask for chicken and bee approval separately. Decide which one you are best equipped to support and defend to your commissioners (chickens are an easier sell, in my opinion), and focus on getting poultry approved. THEN work on bees. The feeling is that you may well lose the battle for a relatively acceptable animal if people are scared off by the less cute and cuddly species when it is included in the same proposal.
    Either way, good luck!

    1 · September 20, 2013

    • emily

      Feel free to refer to my email - I sent it to Sue Herbers who said she would forward it along to the Environmental Commission liaison. I'm bummed I can't make the meeting, but sure hope you might post an update about how it went!

      September 24, 2013

    • Sherry R.

      Thanks, Emily. I sure will give everyone who couldn't attend (and I hope there won't be many!!) an update.

      September 25, 2013

  • fran e.

    Is there an area on this web site that explains the parameters for owning chickens in LA city. I live on the westside and have a large backyard.

    September 23, 2013

  • Tamlynn

    oops, just realized I will be out of town. I will send my husband!

    September 20, 2013

  • Tamlynn

    my husband and I will be there. He would love to keep bees. FYI, chickens are not actually illegal in Torrance. There is a vague reference to "farm animals" in the ordinances, but only cows, pigs and bees are specifically prohibited. I'm not sure what chicken enthusiasts want from the city in regards to keeping chickens.

    September 20, 2013

    • emily

      That's interesting Tamlynn. I had heard something about a permit being required in Torrance for chicken-keeping that involved a city worker asking neighbors to give their permission. But maybe I heard wrong?

      September 20, 2013

    • Tamlynn

      That has happened, but it is not an official part of the municipal code. If chickens were illegal, a special permit would not have been issued. I think its a gray area and the animal control officers can decide what they want based on personal opinions.

      September 20, 2013

  • Judi G.

    I will do my best to be there on time going to another event that ends around the same time. It would be very helpful if LAUCE members invited their friends and/or family that actually live in Torrance. As a former commissioner and an active community volunteer (though not on the Environmental Commission) I know that when it comes to changing things and issues that are "new" or considered or perceived as different, they really consider input from residents as most important. Just my opinion.

    September 20, 2013

  • Mike G.

    I'm in Redondo Beach and I am raising 8 chickens.

    September 20, 2013

  • emily

    Oh no! That's the same night as an event I'm heading up at our school. I sure hope lots of others can make it. (If I can make it late I'll try!)

    September 20, 2013

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