MISkeptics April Get Together: The Idea of a Basic Income

  • April 12, 2014 · 1:00 PM
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According to Article 25, Section 1 of The Universal Declaration of Human Rights: "Everyone has the right to a standard of living adequate for the health and well-being of himself and of his family, including food, clothing, housing and medical care and necessary social services, and the right to security in the event of unemployment, sickness, disability, widowhood, old age or other lack of livelihood in circumstances beyond his control."

Basic Income is a concept where the state would provide a regular income payment to every adult citizen, with no conditions attached. Such a payment would be enough to meet basic needs for a frugal lifestyle, and would largely replace welfare, food stamps, and public pensions. It would also augment the income of poorly paid employed people, and provide a safety net for those with irregular incomes.

Is this a system that could work in the United States? How would it be implemented? How is it different and is it better or worse than our current welfare system?

Our special guest this month is MISkeptics member and contributor Marc Stemmer. Marc has extensively studied the philosophy and practice of a Basic Income and will present his research. We will learn the positives, the negatives and clear away the hype associated with it.

Come and join us for lively discussion, drinks, dinner and debate! This is a good event for Skeptics of Michigan to come together and discuss local, national, worldwide items affecting Skeptics. All are welcome to listen and participate.

Please be sure to RSVP so I know how many are coming. That way I can modify the reservation if necessary.

I look forward to seeing you all there!

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  • Thomas Hart (Tom) C.

    When's the next meetup?

    April 28

  • mike f.

    I had easter kid stuff to do so I just missed it

    April 15, 2014

  • Doug M.

    Enjoyed the talk. Would like to see a discussion on Wealth enequality in the US sometime in the future

    April 15, 2014

  • Thomas Hart (Tom) C.

    Oh, <ugly word>. I missed the 4/12 meeting; I forgot about it until a little after it started, and then I couldn't make it. Well, I've set up reminders and will (probably? hopefully?) remember the May 10 meeting in time to attend.

    April 15, 2014

    • Adam B.

      No worries. See you on the 10th.

      April 15, 2014

  • Vijaya

    Marc's presentation was very informative and thought provoking. In the age of computers and globalization, average American worker has no long term safety net to speak of and Marc did a pretty good job of throwing some ideas out there without sounding like a commy/neo-con. It should be noted that he was wearing a red shirt and we wondered if that was a Marxian symbol :)

    April 13, 2014

  • A former member
    A former member

    Sorry, kids called to wish me happy anniversary and I got caught up talking. To late to come now as I live in Brighton.

    April 12, 2014

  • MaryEllen

    I am not going to be able to go since my brakes & power steering need repair--must be conservative driving 'til I can get the money to get them fixed.

    1 · April 8, 2014

    • Adam B.

      No worries. Be safe.

      April 8, 2014

  • Eduardo Perrodeblues V.

    Just figured out I can't come, will be out on business trip, hope I can make it next time, I'm really looking forward to meeting this group

    April 2, 2014

  • Thomas Hart (Tom) C.

    I'm sorry I've missed so many meetings; especially those I said I'd attend until less than 24 hours before the event. But the snow has quit falling until September, I think, so I'll probably be able to attend most of them for the next six months. I expect to be at the April 12 meeting.

    March 18, 2014

    • Adam B.

      We look forward to seeing you again!

      1 · March 18, 2014

    • Thomas Hart (Tom) C.

      I *s*t*i*I*l* expect to attend the April 12th meetup.

      April 2, 2014

  • mike f.

    Did you ever notice that it looks like that tree branch is going to fall on you? In your pic.... lol

    March 13, 2014

    • Dan K.

      Sitting on Belle Isle, looking toward Canada and pining for the fjords?

      April 2, 2014

    • Adam B.

      I always pine for fjords. Especially ones hand designed by Slartibartfast. Wrong though.

      April 2, 2014

  • sheila

    sorry I can't make this on - looking forward to the next one.

    March 26, 2014

  • A former member
    A former member

    I'm not sure if I can attend or not....depends on plans for my anniversary that weekend.

    March 24, 2014

    • Adam B.

      Happy anniversary!

      March 24, 2014

  • Doug M.

    I am happy with the inclusion of economic issues in the monthly discussions. One of the things that atheist do, is challenge conventional thinking using reason and knowledge. All aspects of life should be included, nothing should be sacred.

    March 15, 2014

    • Adam B.

      I agree. Judging by the interest in this, I think we will be expanding the scope of events we have at our monthly Get Togethers.

      March 15, 2014

  • Abas & Corey A.

    Hello Adam, I would like to attend and bring along my wife Corey. Your comments concerning a universal basic income caught my attention. I am a Skeptic/Atheist who happens to also be philosophically Liberal. Many of the Atheist groups I have attended in the past for one reason or another seem to attract a majority of Librarians. Many Librarians are good people; I agree with them when it comes to their anti-war stance and their support for civil libraries. Where we part company is on domestic and global economic issues ("two out of three ain't bad"). We look forward to being there April 12.

    March 14, 2014

    • Adam B.

      Hi there. We purposely try to keep Michigan Skeptics politically neutral and focus instead skepticism and science. There are skeptics on both sides of the political spectrum here. That being said, It is probably a good idea to host more events that either are, or have become political. I think you will enjoy the group. We have many leftists and right wingers and no one has tried to kill each other (yet.)

      2 · March 15, 2014

  • MaryEllen

    4pm is much better for me. This sounds like a really interesting topic. What do you mean "they are not ready for us to change to our Spring/Summer hours." Don't they know the customer is always right? They will probably sell more beer later in the day. Have you considered having it elsewhere?

    March 13, 2014

    • Adam B.

      It's surprisingly difficult finding a good venue to host our meetings. Our requirements are a back room that is separate so noise doesn't get in or out, serves alcohol, Is 100% handicap accessible and is free. All those together makes it very difficult.

      March 13, 2014

    • Adam B.

      The reason we move to 1PM is because of Hockey Season and people already having the rooms booked.

      March 13, 2014

  • mike f.

    They are fired!

    March 13, 2014

  • Adam B.

    Unfortunately I just heard back from CJ's and they are not ready for us to change to our Spring/Summer hours. I have updated the event to be at 1:00 PM.

    March 13, 2014

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