Michel Foucault : Manet and the Object of Painting (Discussion)

Our next title is Michel Foucault's "Manet and the Object of Painting" (available in paperback from Amazon here). As I mentioned at our last meeting, this seems like a cute harmless book, but as is the case with most of Foucault's writings, it takes courage and perseverance to get through it. I am convinced, however, that this is a seminal text that deserves our attention and critical appreciation.

"In this encounter between one of the 20th century’s greatest minds and an artist fundamental to the development of modern art, French philosopher Michel Foucault explores Edouard Manet’s importance in the overthrow of traditional values in painting. Here translated into English for the first time, this powerful critique takes the form of a commentary on 13 of Manet’s paintings. For the politically minded philosopher, the connection between visual art and power was clear: Art is not an aesthetic pursuit, but a means to explore—and challenge—power dynamics."

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  • Kit

    Let's talk about books that we want to read next, but let's move it to the conversation about the next meet up. This conversation is taking place within the Manet meeting comments, so it is kind of hidden. Joey has recommended Jacques Barzun's The Use and Abuse of Art . He said, "Jacques Barzun's The Use and Abuse of Art, 150 pages. 6 classic lectures from 1973 that haven't aged and are worth reading and rereading. I don't agree with every sentence but hardly any don't deliver an insight. Lots of used copies are available from Amazon from $0.01 and up"

    Anyone have a preference to read something else next?

    If you answer here, I'll respond on the general list.

    Still looking for Meeting space in Manhattan. Thanks to everyone for their suggestions.

    July 20, 2013

  • Svetlana

    It doesn’t matter even the group would like to discuss another book.
    I read something about J. Barzun and it interested me.
    I’m already ordered the book and can’t wait to read it. Maybe after watching this video, the group will be interested too.

    http://vimeo.com/16521540
    Thank you again.

    July 19, 2013

  • Joey

    Svetlana,
    Dunno if it will be the next book but you may just be glad you did read it.

    July 18, 2013

  • Svetlana

    Thank you Kit for stepping out as organizer. If you need something to help you please let me know.
    Joey thank you for suggesting the book, I'm ordering it tomorrow.

    July 18, 2013

  • Joey

    >>>There are 9 days remaining to make it happen. After that we get some time to figure out where and when to meet, the book and how to finance the meetup. When we have a meetup the organizer can decide on the where, when and what. I expect there will be no shortage of suggestions.

    July 18, 2013

  • Joey

    Judging by the participants in this discussion it seems that only the attendees to the last meetup are interested or aware of efforts to keep the MABC going. I don't know if the "discussions" feture at the top would send postings to everyone in the meetup.

    The good news is that participants in this discussion seem close to a plan. My suggestion: The next steps would be for someone to step up as organizer and for those willing to kick in to commit to contribute to the modest financial support that's needed. I commit to contribute half of what's needed to front the 1st month's meetup fee. I'd commit to all except it's a bad precedent for an ongoing project. Collecting a fee to RSVP or at the meetup works for other meetups. >>>

    July 18, 2013

  • jean h.

    i went back to try to find Kit's book recommendation (thanks Joey for pointing that out) and i can't find the post. i also checked my profile settings- not sure i'm getting all the posts in this stream.

    July 18, 2013

  • jean h.

    I'm fine with paying 2-3 dollars per meeting. that seems more fair to me then someone paying 75 dollars for 6 months- but so happy Kit stepped-up in this precarious transition. i imagine there might also be a fee for the space. how do people feel about that? i'm fine with paying 5 dollars a month if it comes to that. i can't do jersey city or cobble hill easily. i live in ridgewood, queens which is 25 mins from union square but 45 mins from our former gallery. it would take me 2 hours, one-way to get to jersey city or cobble hill. the way the train lines run we could get the maximum number of people if we stay in downtown manhattan. i think the met and bryant park are good back-ups if we can't find a place with chairs with backs and ac.

    July 18, 2013

  • Boo M.

    Thank you very much Kit.
    If we can't figure out a space by mid-August, how about meeting in Bryant Park for September? If it is a rainy Saturday, then maybe the following Saturday? Then hopefully we can find a place by October. I am 90% sure that I can offer a place in Jersey City - a contemporary arts exhibition space. Very easy to reach!
    Barzun sounds good to me!
    Other Meet Up groups charge $2/3 per participant per meeting. Sounds fair to everyone?

    July 18, 2013

  • Svetlana

    Hello everyone! I'm also very disappointed with the news. I will definitely contribute to keep our meet up going. Please, keep me posting. Thank you all!

    July 17, 2013

  • Joey

    And since Kit is already thinking about the next book...Jacques Barzun's The Use and Abuse of Art, 150 pages. 6 classic lectures from 1973 that haven't aged and are worth reading and rereading. I don't agree with every sentence but hardly any don't deliver an insight. Lots of used copies are available from Amazon from $0.01 and up.

    July 17, 2013

  • Kit

    Let's look for a place for us to meet in Manhattan that is comparable to the gallery. I am looking for a meeting room with air conditioning and plenty of chairs. If we don't find it by September, then let's start talking about alternatives. I don't mind paying the fee to meet up as the organizer. I think that you save money by paying for six or twelve months. And then if someone else wants to take over they can.

    July 17, 2013

    • Victor

      Thanks for stepping up Kit! I'll keep my out for potential meeting places.

      July 17, 2013

    • jean h.

      Yes, that is awesome Kit, thank you. I'd love to know what the title of the next book is so i have time to read it. How shall we proceed with this? any ideas?

      July 17, 2013

  • Joey

    1 month for $19/month Renews every month at $[masked] months for $15/month Amount billed today: $45.00 Renews every 3 months at $[masked] months for Amount billed today: $72.00 Renews every 6 months at $72.00

    July 17, 2013

  • jean h.

    Hi Everyone, i can't volunteer to be the leader- but i would be able to take a shift later on when my schedule opens up. it's too bad that Ivan hasn't responded. i'd feel much more comfortable with this transition if i knew for certain that he didn't want to do it anymore. Joey, how much is the fee that the leader has to pay? i would be willing to put in a few dollars when we meet next. i think the met idea is doable but another gallery downtown would be better in terms of retaining the largest number of members. anyone want to make some calls? maybe we could have a discussion at the end of every meeting and vote on the next book? what do you think?

    July 17, 2013

  • Joey

    We have time, 10 days but not until September. Meetup is also asking for a credit card # so the leader has to put her/himself on the line. I don't think it's fair to have the new leader pay the fee to Meetup and didn't think it was fair to Ivan either. If the leader is cybersavy, as I am not, she/he can set it up to collect online when people RSVP. I would suggest $2. I live in Park Slope and wouldn't mind having a dozen guests for a couple of Meetups though I couldn't commit to all. I have 12 chairs and would have to find one more. Hope no one is superstitious.

    July 17, 2013

  • Kit

    I too have really enjoyed this group and want to see it continue. At our last group Ivan indicated that he was burnt out and wanted to go to the West coast indefinitely. He did not say that he was stepping down as leader, but I think that we should assume that he has. Seems to me that the big challenge is finding a meeting space. Any ideas? I've no doubt that we can keep the great conversation going, though I will miss Ivan and am thankful that he got us started.

    July 16, 2013

  • Victor

    This is maybe not the most optimal setup; but if no one else can find a location to meet, there's always the Carson Family Hall at The Met. If you're not familiar with it, this is a large space with bench seating that school and tour groups use to gather when going to the museum. Most of the time there are plenty of free seats, but they are backless benches.

    Here's a random picture I found of Flickr of the type of seating they have:

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/kang/8182563542/

    As you can see, if back support is necessary you can sit on a bench leaning against a wall.

    The advantages of meeting here are that it's free (it's before the admission check) and we can go look at great art that may be relevant to the conversation after or even during our discussion!

    Let me know what you guys think!

    July 17, 2013

    • Kit

      Good to know that we have options. I'd like to keep looking for a place comparable to the one that we had. We had agreed not to meet until September, so that gives us time. I am willing to step in as Organizer. Is there anyone else who wants the role?

      July 17, 2013

  • Boo M.

    I would love to see this group continue too! Ivan will definitely be sorely missed.
    I may be able to offer a space in Jersey City, near the PATH train - honestly, easier to get to than Brooklyn from mid-Manhattan!

    July 16, 2013

  • Victor

    I would also like to see this group continue and was disappointed when I saw the group was potentially being shut down. Hopefully this is all just a misunderstanding. Let me know if there's anything I can do to help keep this thing alive.

    July 16, 2013

  • jean h.

    Ivan, i got an email from meetup stating you were "stepping down" as the group moderator and the group would shut down because no other moderator was picked. is this true? or is this simply how meet-up deals with a vacation? i thought we were simply postponing until the fall. please let me know if your plans have changed. i REALLY love this group. The conversation about Manet was fantastic! ... somehow, i don't think i'm "registered" with the software properly- because it seems like i miss notices. if you or anyone else who gets this post has information for me please email me at [masked] thanks so much!

    July 16, 2013

  • Joey

    Quite good thanks to Ivan's efforts.

    1 · June 22, 2013

    • Kit

      Yes, thank you Ivan. Have a great summer, everyone.

      June 22, 2013

  • Boo M.

    Very interesting conversation, more so than the book. Thank you Ivan et al!

    1 · June 22, 2013

    • Joey

      Astute observation.

      June 22, 2013

  • Svetlana

    Thank you for the interesting conversation! Looking forward for the next one.

    1 · June 22, 2013

  • Gregg

    never found a copy -- one i ordered never arrived

    June 22, 2013

  • Victor

    I'm so disappointed that I can't go to this one because you guys are finally doing something on pre-modern painting! I hope the next book is something to do with the old masters.

    June 21, 2013

    • Kit

      Hi Victor. We'll miss you. Though I have learned a lot from all of our selections, I would also like to discuss something to do with the old masters. Thanks for the suggestion.

      June 21, 2013

  • Kit

    I am having a difficult time finding this book. When I said it sounded like a challenge, this is not what I expected. Does anyone have it in a shareable form?

    May 10, 2013

    • A former member
      A former member

      ... psst psst: http://www.scribd.com...­ (if too late for it, maybe?).

      May 20, 2013

    • Kit

      Thanks so much. I just cancelled my Amazon order. They now tell me it will be at least another month before I get it! Problem solved for $9 with the link you gave.

      May 23, 2013

  • Kit

    Thanks for the selection, Ivan! Sounds like a challenge and I know that our group is up for it.

    2 · May 7, 2013

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