Re: [Mid-CT-Photography-Meetup] Photo uploads

From: Janet
Sent on: Monday, July 2, 2012 7:05 AM
Another idea is that our 12 most refined images could be posted to Flickr - simply because Flickr charges for space, though minimally, and Meetup web site does not. And, If we posted only 12 (each) to Flickr, the people interested in only our best photos would not have to 'weed through' all our photos. But, we can still showcase all the photos we want to share from an event on our Meetup site.
 
Janet


From: Dave Everett <[address removed]>
To: [address removed]
Sent: Mon, July 2,[masked]:51:11 AM
Subject: Re: [Mid-CT-Photography-Meetup] Photo uploads

My two cents here, as someone new to this group, but with some miles on the shutter as a pro, amateur and hobbyist. I tend to agree with Dan and Chas here. 

Isn't the personal progression of photography as an art form to refine our images and say more with less?  If we're unsure that we said it with one image, then we post another, and another, and another, etc. Recognizing and capturing good images is a creative process of selection when you snap, edit, and post. As a pro, I was paid to deliver one image. As an enthusiast I wanted to share every angle and idea, so I get where Massimo is coming from. He's sharing his creative process. However, aren't we all seeking to be better and more refined at what we do as a natural progression?  If that's the case, why not take the direction of those with more experience and at the same time diminish the glut of images so viewers of a gallery can spend some time appreciating our vision rather than develop attention deficit by flipping through at warp speed and glancing over some potentially great stuff. I've gotten better over the years by learning to weed...

Dave Everett

On Jul 2, 2012, at 5:36 AM, Dan Burns <[address removed]> wrote:

Massimo,

We certainly could debate this all day long but let's just say we'll agree to disagree.  Photographers, especially today, have to be editors as well.  

If you want to view images in order to get inspired, I'd look to National Geographic, Sports Illustrated, Time, Smithsonian and other magazines who use the world's best photographers.   I wouldn't be looking to my fellow 'Beginners' for inspiration.  When I was as early as five years old I was following that advice.  I'm dyslexic and as a youngster in the 50's & 60's I didn't know how to tell my parents why I had reading issues.  I turned to the afore mentioned magazines as a source of information about the world.  I looked at incredible photographs to learn about the world but in doing so I learned composition.  By the time I was ten i was taking very nice images with my $10 Kodak camera.

I still agree with Sue so I guess we'll just disagree.

Dan


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On Jul 1, 2012, at 11:33 PM, Massimo Nittardi <[address removed]> wrote:

Dan,

I don't really think what you're referring to compares to the experience one has with Meetup, at least not as far as I can tell.  You're talking about photographs you take on a commercial level for which, I'm sure, the requirements and rules are completely different.  From what I've seen so far Mid-CT encompasses people on all levels of photography who simply get together to share their passion for shooting photographs.  The ones that like to post to the event album do so to show their companions what they were able to capture.  And those who click through the pictures collected in an event album do so because they're interested to see what the others captured, for curiosity, as a learning tool, or whatever else.

I would hardly think a Meetup group compares to professional shooting on any level.  What we do when we go on an event is just for fun and passion, not money.

Thanks,
Massimo


From: Dan Burns <[address removed]>
To: [address removed]
Sent: Sunday, July 1,[masked]:33 PM
Subject: Re: [Mid-CT-Photography-Meetup] Photo uploads

Hello Sue,

I'm a full-time sports and adventure photographer and Massimo I couldn't disagree with you more.  I've spent 31 years shooting the NFL, MLB, wildlife in Alaska, Auto Racing and I rarely share my pictures with anyone aside from my client.   My colleagues and I rarely share with one another.  I often have shoots that require shooting thousands of images and I'm asked to do just what Sue has suggested, just give a few pictures to an editor.  They don't want to wade through tons of ho hum pictures.  Turn in a few pictures, dazzle your contemporaries and leave them begging for more.  When one posts too many pictures one exposures their vulnerabilities and their very best pictures become lost in a sea of mediocrity.

Sue, I feel you're generous by giving many people the opportunity to display 12 images.  By keeping the number reasonable you're requiring your photographers to become good editors.

Thank you,
Dan

On Jul 1, 2012, at 8:06 PM, Massimo Nittardi wrote:

Hi Sue, I'm writing in response to the email you sent a couple weeks back limiting how many pictures we can upload to an event album.  I was wondering what precipitated the sudden change in the way the group photo albums are used.

The reason I'm asking is because, in my opinion, limiting us to upload 12 images undermines several very important aspects of Meetup itself:
1. Mid-CT is a photography group and we meet to take photographs, so sharing them with others would seem like a natural consequence.
2. Given that each event is paired with a photo album, one would assume that sharing one's pictures with others would be encouraged (especially since many participants never upload anything at all).
3. Some events are small and some are very big.  Point in case, I just went to 2 huge events, the Coney Island parade and the Boston Buffet.  I took over 500 pictures at the first and around 400 at the second.  I don't think anyone would have an easy time picking 24 images out of over 900, which could even bring more people to just not bother uploading images at all (all that sifting is a lot of work!!).
4. When an event is particularly varied (like the Boston Buffet was) being able to post only 12 pictures means that I'd have to post about 1 per place visited.  Why bother taking shots from different angles and perspectives if only 1 will be used?  Doesn't this discourage creativity?
5. Being able to post only 12 shots doesn't allow one to show the breadth of the experience.  So much would be left out that once again, one would feel like "why bother going through the effort."  For instance, think of how many wonderful candid shots of the group participants would have to be left out to make room for the really creative shots, or vice versa.
6. Looking at other members' photos spurs creativity and improves knowledge.  So many times I've seen shots that captured something I hadn't thought of and want to recreate at some point in the future.  If there's such a small limit on what anyone can upload, I can't even begin to think of what I'm missing.

I understand that you created a new Flickr account where we can post however many pictures we want, but I cannot see myself ever bothering going there because of the nuisance of having to pick 12 for the Meetup site, which is our home base, and then log on somewhere else to add another batch, which is necessarily "less than" for not being part of the 12.

I, like many members I'm sure, have my own website, my Flickr account, Facebook, and Google+ where I post my work.  Having to go somewhere else just creates more work where none seemed necessary.

I respect your position as the organizer of the group, but I really have an issue with this arbitrary limit imposed on all the members, and I'd love to know how others might feel about it.

Thanks,
Massimo




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