Lets discuss the Kabala

We'll delve into the Kabala from a mystical viewpoint. Dion Fortunes book "The Mystical Qabalah" will be the source, but if you know of any different perspectives your welcome to add your ideas. It might be easy to find in a any public library. We'll probabley have some follow up meetings on the same subject. Hope to see you there! Same place as normal, the lower level meeting room.

A PDF version of The Mystical Qabalah for all to read. 

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  • Laurie Elise M.

    I also came across something interesting regarding Fortune's chapter on Negative Existence. In the Emerald Tablets: "Remember, O man, that all which exists is only another form of that which exists not."

    February 1, 2014

    • Laurie Elise M.

      Jeffrey, I sliced into my finger, severing a nerve and had hand surgery Thursday. I won't be typing much for several weeks. I was taught message was a noun, not a verb. :-)

      February 8, 2014

    • Jeffrey E. M.

      Laurie please accept my very best wishes for a quick and complete healing!

      February 9, 2014

  • Chris

    It was a good discussion, I was somewhat confused and would like more detail. It would be nice to have a Kabbala expert discuss the subject. All in all an interesting topic.

    February 7, 2014

    • Jeffrey E. M.

      Hi Chris, perhaps the average Rosicrucian doesn't get too involved with the K. however the average R+C is familiar with at least a basic idea of what it is, it potential and how it bridges between the R+C monographs. Anyways if you are a overall seeker and not a member of R+C there are many avenues for more depth, each school taking it a little somewhere else, just like a country and rock and roll guitar player takes music slightly differently. I hope you will consider joining my FB group, there is a Frater with a deep working investigation among many other surveys. I was thinking of posting one item from the book each day or each week to keep the K. discussion going. as this meetup continues this particular topic and discussion will change as R+C continues to contemplate many other exoteric subjects as well.

      February 8, 2014

    • Jeffrey E. M.

      On the confusion part, I read the first 10 pages or so over and over until i started getting a better feel for the book. Yes a fast pace plowing through many ideas that build up over a lifetime of study and consideration.

      February 8, 2014

  • Laurie Elise M.

    Incidentally, this Tree of Light has, of course, 12 sephiroth with Da'ath at the Heart (there are also the corresponding 7 chakras), the hidden knowledge. The ancient Egyptians knew of this tree, but I'm not sure if it's in the Zohar or not. It may be disguised.

    February 1, 2014

  • Laurie Elise M.

    Okay, so you all know I've been seeking the third tree. Now, I believe I've found it. The Tree of Light. (I could get into this in more detail, but now isn't the time and here isn't the place. However, I will say that in the legend of Siddartha, the prince became the Buddha when sitting under a tree (doesn't matter what kind, really, and even in the translations it gets screwed up); do we need any symbolism more blatant?)

    As I read various sacred writings, I discover I'm actually reading The Tree of Life. And I'm still window shopping.

    February 1, 2014

  • Jeffrey E. M.

    Per mention of Hopi natives

    January 26, 2014

  • Jeffrey E. M.

    January 26, 2014

    • Laurie Elise M.

      This reminds me of the Brain Games I do every day....

      January 26, 2014

  • Laurie Elise M.

    PS: The "ball" we hold in Taijichuan is actually a sphere of chi (actually, it's more complicated than that, but essentially, it's chi), or Vital Life Force, as a Rosicrucian might call it. It's something you can actually feel physically.

    January 25, 2014

    • Jeffrey E. M.

      Hi Laurie, reminds me how much that the treatment of personal inner symbols here in this archival podcast has illuminated my thinking:

      http://rosicrucian.or...­

      January 26, 2014

    • Laurie Elise M.

      Thanks for reminding me of these pod casts, Jeffrey. I'd forgotten all about them; it's been several years since I last checked into these.

      January 26, 2014

  • Jeffrey E. M.

    Any recommendations for here or others like it?
    http://www.globalgrey.co.uk/Books/Qabalah/

    January 26, 2014

  • Jeffrey E. M.

    So we missed many of you at the mystical movie today, was so awesome, do watch the "7 faces of Dr. Lao"!!!

    January 25, 2014

    • Laurie Elise M.

      I LOVE that movie! I'd thought it was later in the day, forgetting it was at 10:00. Chris, the schedule is listed in the Essene winter schedule (for the local Rosicrucian group).

      January 26, 2014

    • Chris

      Gotcha! Thanks, Laurie!

      January 26, 2014

  • Laurie Elise M.

    Jeffery, look at the four of Pentacles in the Tarot, In the Waite deck. "A crowned figure, having a pentacle over his crown, clasps another with hands and arms [reminding me of 'holding the ball' or the Tai Chi symbol, in Taijichua]; two pentacles are under his feet." (A.E. Waite)

    January 25, 2014

  • Laurie Elise M.

    I still have a nagging question: If the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil is the path down the "Tree of Life", in other words, "the Fall", and the Tree of Life is actually take path up, then what, according to the Law of the Triangle, do these two opposing forces create? Is it the Christ consciousness as Fortune suggests, found in the 6th Siphora, Tiphareth, which she says is the highest level of consciousness a human being can achieve, or is it something more? I believe it's something more, but suppose I need to keep digging and meditating to discover the answer. Any thoughts?

    January 25, 2014

    • Jeffrey E. M.

      is it the fall,,, per TMO, i would say no,,,,,opposing forces=~yin/yang, however again consider triadic (golden mean within pillar characterization) as well as dyadic (polarity spectrum end points)

      not CC, i don't care for that line of thinking, to me Tiphareth is at level of thymus, which is the sun, which is the Christ, is the Christ highest level for human? that does give me something new! however thymus is not highest psychic center, where did i get this idea,,,,??? now i forgot,,,, it is something more as in forever expanding, there is not end to it, like you suggest, it is a ball that you continually turn in 3d without outer center.

      heavy now on the thinking Laurie, this is a challenge with ToL outside of meditation, weak feeling through contemplation without reflection phase

      January 25, 2014

  • Jeffrey E. M.

    comment on Guru's, it is said by Thomas Ashley-Ferrand that the Guru's feet chakras are wide open and this is why the tradition of "sitting at the feet of the guru" came about for practical reasons, although you can see it symbolically as well. Perhaps they are super-grounded into the earth?

    A teacher though like Jesus is not really a Guru, like Mark commented, a Guru doesn't really have a function in the West although a teacher, perhaps the golden mean has a long tradition going back to the Greek Philosopher's or beyond. In the AB-affiliated body - the Essene Chapter, it is said that we are all each others teacher's, and this is what we are doing here through the culmination of so many different perspectives.

    January 24, 2014

    • Jeffrey E. M.

      While the practical AMORC is to put you in tune with your Master Within, a link to advanced inner conscience, I also liked the comment that John Dee worked out spiritual science and trained his abilities with someone who was more psychic or sensitive than him, although it sounds like karma gave him a real character.

      January 24, 2014

  • Jeffrey E. M.

    Laurie, lol, this showed up last night, and thanks for the spiritual marble!

    "The earth stands in the universe, curiously, as a rounded tetrahedron, as a kind of pyramid. That, gentlemen, is actually still the form of the earth!” — Rudolf Steiner

    January 23, 2014

    • Laurie Elise M.

      You're welcome. Not everyone received a marble. I'll bring more to the next meeting.

      January 23, 2014

  • Jeffrey E. M.

    One note on sacred geometry, as awesome as it is on the Earth plane, perhaps Rosicrucians aren't as interested in it as the immaterial parts of our existence, such as the mystical laws of the Soul. Not that it isn't interesting, attention may be more focused elsewhere. In degree 4, there is a document that is a "(degree) manifesto" that is highly scientific and can be loaned out to interested non-members.

    January 23, 2014

    • Laurie Elise M.

      Mystical Laws of the Soul are rooted in Sacred Geometry. Physical laws are as well.

      January 23, 2014

    • Laurie Elise M.

      "Know thyself, and thou shalt know the universe and the gods." (Rosicrucian saying)

      January 23, 2014

  • Jeffrey E. M.

    Laurie, flower of life here as a shadow generated by this geometrical object, you will like this

    https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=708912275808537&set=a.224460250920411.60587.216281778404925&type=1&theater

    January 23, 2014

    • Laurie Elise M.

      That's gorgeous, Jeffrey. Thanks. I suppose you know that the TOL fits inside the Seed of Life, which is 12 circles reduced from the Flower (the Fruit of Life is created by finishing the unfinished circles around the Flower). All of this, oddly enough, has me digging deeply into the ancient Jewish mystical tradition of the Merkabah (Enoch - Metetron tradition).

      January 23, 2014

  • Jeffrey E. M.

    Here is what i came up with which ties together a number of sources such as a Jewish friend and they way he would speak Hebrew and "The Practical Qabala" a book by Charles Fielding who was a long time student of Dion Fortune's Society of the Inner Light.

    I am completely open to hearing any other ideas and/or be corrected, just provide a full reasoning!

    KEH TER
    HOKE MA

    BEE NAH

    DAATH (like darth vader)

    HES ED

    GEH BOO RAH

    TIPH A RETH

    NET ZACH

    SODE

    YEAH SODE (O as in load writes Charles Fielding, although I may be missing the S as in Yess-Od, although i like my way now!)

    MALL KUTE (No ending H says Jewish friend)

    January 23, 2014

  • Jeffrey E. M.

    I wrote a beginning R+C Qabala meditation for learning the ToL. I will put it on the R+C Community site and the FB group R+C Fraternity. Otherwise email or message if you care for a copy. Basic idea from last night is to memorize the Sephiroth and path through as well as to apply R+C values.

    January 23, 2014

  • Jeffrey E. M.

    Laurie: you can find dyadic and triadic representation within the TOL. Dyadic or binary or 2, usually suggest polar opposites or ends of a spectrum. You can see that the path of equilibrium, the middle vertical, pertains to triadic thinking.

    January 22, 2014

    • Laurie Elise M.

      Jeffery, I see TOL as a three dimensional construct, something Fortune gives hints about in at least three different places. So, I see all sorts of geometrics going on. I also look at going down the tree (the Fall) as well as going up, which brings up the concept to two opposing forces.

      January 22, 2014

    • Jeffrey E. M.

      very fascinating Laurie! I've enjoyed all of your thoughts and perspectives!

      January 23, 2014

  • Jeffrey E. M.

    spinning tetrahedron, new discussion on FB that Earth is really a sort of rounded tetrahedron

    http://www.mathsisfun.com/geometry/tetrahedron.html

    January 23, 2014

  • Jeffrey E. M.

    Many perspectives make understanding and realization Light work!

    January 23, 2014

  • Jeffrey E. M.

    new emerging thoughts if i may:

    Sacred geometry on the intellectual plane is the mental arrangement of different perspectives, techniques and teaching levels that coexist in the self.

    In the same way, per comment about page 30, something like the TOF is not the structure of thought it is the method.

    January 22, 2014

  • Laurie Elise M.

    Perhaps tonight someone can help me with this quandary: There were two trees in the Garden of Eden, the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil and the Tree of Life. What I've been considering is if what's been called the Tree of Life is, in fact, really the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil, and that the Tree of Life has a different configuration (the Sefer Yetzirah shows different configurations of the tree, and there is yet another configuration found in Ancient Egyptian hieroglyphs). Which also begs the question based on the Law of the Triangle: do these two trees produce a third (although I'm not sure if the two trees represent opposing forces)?

    January 22, 2014

  • Laurie Elise M.

    Sacred Geometry plays a vital part in the study of the Qabala, as it does with everything.

    Jeffery, another excellent resource is: A Beginner's Guide to Constructing the Universe (A voyage from 1 to 10) by Michael S Schneider. I'll bring a copy tonight.

    January 22, 2014

  • Laurie Elise M.

    "Geometry existed before Creation." - Plato

    2 · January 21, 2014

    • Chris

      Taken literally, that seems impossible. This makes more sense to me, and it quotes Johanes Kepler. “Geometry existed before the creation. It is co-eternal with the mind of God. Geometry provided God with a model for the Creation. Geometry is God Himself"

      January 21, 2014

    • Laurie Elise M.

      I'm quite familiar with Kepler's quote (astronomy is another one of my passions), and I'm happy to see someone else is familiar with him. I'll show you tonight how this is true.

      1 · January 22, 2014

  • Chris

    Very interesting read! I am now on page 20 of the .pdf & am wishing I would have started reading earlier to get thru part 1. I am constantly looking up words, nice my phone has a built-in dictionary!

    January 21, 2014

  • Jeffrey E. M.

    Laurie here sparked my interest in sacred geometry connection to the TOL. After contemplating this for some days now, it is a super interesting way to look at the TOL in a different way, one in a math-art-nature sort of way, and one in a spatial feeling kind of way. It is said that God Geometrizes meaning to me that as we descend into materiality concepts can be separated into individual aspects through discernment in the same final and clean way and mathmatic-definitive way which is a correspondence to the different techniques of a geometric toolbox can achieve. Probably the Geometric toolbox is a correspondence to the arriving at all of the conceptual intellectual discernments that are possible at different plane wave lengths... I'm feeling it! And the joy of this one perspective is the journey of enumeration of perspectives which is like a point of light that corresponds to everyone attending!

    January 21, 2014

    • Scott R.

      Hi. If you are interested in sacred geometry you may want to check this out. It is all
      Islamic Patterns: An Analytical and Cosmological Approach Paperback
      by Keith Critchlow
      http://www.amazon.com...­

      1 · January 21, 2014

    • Jeffrey E. M.

      fascinating book, my wife and I took a trip to Turkey and admired many a beautiful mosque. Requested this via library, thanks!

      January 21, 2014

  • Jeffrey E. M.

    question: in the TOL, what is the relationship of the measure of a circle to the line that connects circles?

    January 21, 2014

  • Laurie Elise M.

    Jeffery, I'm only a student, not a teacher. I sit on top of the preverbal ice burg and sometimes feel as if I'm only getting my butt cold and wet.

    January 19, 2014

  • Jeffrey E. M.

    Greetings Laurie! I felt today that I didn't really say anything in my response, lol, i was going to delete it! I hope to make it on Wed and perhaps we can talk then, or sometime or via email address, maybe you could teach me something! At IKEA for breakfast this a/m over coffee I read up until page 33 where I felt like I had to stop because it became too much intellectual detail that i haven't put into play yet.

    January 17, 2014

  • Laurie Elise M.

    Hi, Jeffery,
    From what I've read, both Mathers and Crowley didn't reveal most of the more hidden secrets of the Qabalah, although Crowley did leave many clues in his tarot. I still contend, after what I've read so far and from what Fortune herself says, that when reading the material, every word matters.

    In several places her writing reminds me of the book Teresa of Avila (a Christian Mystic) wrote, The Interior Castle (which also has parallels to the Qabalah and the Hindu chakras), that she was ordered to write by her superiors, but when writing it, had to be so very careful choosing her words so she would not get caught up in the net of the Inquisition.

    This is only to say that I believe Fortune's book needs to be read carefully and mindfully.

    January 17, 2014

  • Jeffrey E. M.

    Hi Laurie, this thought seems reasonable, although the sacred geometry is probably at a more advanced level, which is the exciting part about mastering the basic sephiroth or at least intellectually. The book seems so very excellent for me and I'm only on page 7. I took the idea to suggest that she is sharing the content of the oath since it was already know published by Crowley and Mathers.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Da%27at_(Kabbalah)

    January 16, 2014

  • Laurie Elise M.

    Um, has anyone noticed that on p.39, pp 3, Ms Fortune states: "Crowley tells us that Daarth is in another dimension to the other Sephiroch, and forms the apex of a pyramid of which Kether, Chokmah, and Binah form the three basal angles." Technically, this shape can be designated as a pyramid, but more accurately, it is known as a tetrahedron, which is a central symbol of human consciousness in Sacred Geometry, especially when added to a second tetrahedron creating a star-tetrahedron (which, by the way, is hidden within the Tree of Life itself and, when looked at two dimensionally, forms the Star of David).

    Maybe I'm just way out on a limb here, however, given this, I suggest that every word she writes gives us clues into what she doesn't say, into the "hidden meaning" of the Qabalah, the secrets she isn't allowed to express because of her oath not to.

    January 16, 2014

  • Jeffrey E. M.

    Even part 1 is some 90 pages, what an amazing book!!

    January 14, 2014

  • Mark S.

    The discussion will cover Part 1 of the book. We'll do do parts 2 & 3 at later dates.

    January 10, 2014

  • Jeffrey E. M.

    Perhaps the Sephiroth are not cookies, however they are like individually shaped cookie cutters (the tools used to make cookies, rather than the cookie itself [although maybe mulkuth could be a cookie - "food for thought"!)

    January 9, 2014

  • Daniel M.

    Please see the highlighted text (The Mystical Qabalah) in the meeting notice for the electronic version of the book. I like the idea that cookies are really Sephiroth, makes it easier to eat them.

    December 24, 2013

  • Mark S.

    Dan usually brings cookies that always have matched the individual shapes of the symbolic ten Sephiroth. The link to the online version of the Dion Forune book will be posted soon.

    December 21, 2013

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