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As a theist I affirm that objective morality is grounded in God. Atheism can not establish objective morality on any basis and that is why there is confusion.
0 · December 8, 2013
"Grounded in god" is just an assumption. I can certainly think for myself and know what I would want in life for myself and then generalize this towards others. My morals stem from what I would want, not dictated by authority.
0 · December 9, 2013
You reply does not deal with what I am saying. Also you say that your morals are not dictated by authority. But in fact they are dictated by authority; you. I would not say that you can not make judgements on moral and ethics, we all can. But that is not the point. The point is moral objectivity and the questions that come from it. Is there such a thing and where does it originate. If there is such a thing as moral objectivity and it derives, and I believe it must be so, from a source other than our own, then it becomes a lot more interesting question. Our personal experiences do not really tell us much about objective morality other than maybe prick out thoughts and questions about it. And if this is so, then we are not the authority, even if we think we are.
I think we both agree that humans have morals that are innate. You want to say that god is the source of this morality. We also have the capacity for immorality. Is your god responsible for that too? It only adds another dimension to the unknown and for what, so we can pretend that we don't bear the responsibility of ourselves.
0 · December 10, 2013
It would be much more productive if the majority of human beings didn't believe that an external unmeasureable agent was in control and making things happen taking this responsibility of us, from us. We could be as great as we choose to be if we lived our lives with the weight of this responsibility squarely on our shoulders. We could have hope for our species if we lived in the reality of our senses. There is far more evidence that points to evolution being the cause of this morality existing. If it didnt then we would not have evolved into the minds that we are. Sharp enough to be aware of our existence. Consious awareness.
It was a really good disscussion but I am still not completely sure if I have a working understanding of objective morality and if it really exists.
0 · December 5, 2013
I just don't feel anything involving humans can be truly objective. No matter what the situation, we will bring our experience and bias. At best we can know about our short comings and work to overcome them. I saw a phrase that rung a bell for me: "If everyone is doing it, that does not make it right. If no one is doing it, that does not make it wrong."
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Bring all of your subjective minds to a talk about objectivity.
1 · December 2, 2013
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