Re: [NYC-rb] Re: [Workshop] The Art of Cucumber

From: Jeff E.
Sent on: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 1:06 PM
I've never jumped in on any discussions from this email thread, but I feel compelled to now after reading this ridiculous message.

Peter, you are not the right kind of person to be teaching a course if that's how you are thinking about it. I teach a dev course for free once a month. For free. Sure, I spend some hours preparing and teaching and helping people, but I'm not counting them up against my 'billable' hours - I do it for fun, I do it because I love seeing peoples' faces light up when they learn this stuff, and I do it to give back to the community.

If you are teaching for personal profit, you've found yourself in the wrong field, because that's not what teaching is about. The only teachers that actually make *decent* money are tenured professors. Teaching is about generosity, spreading your knowledge, helping others, and giving back to the community.

That's why you should charge $20. And if you are too concerned with profits, leave the workshops to others and spend that time doing contract work.

And check out skillshare if you'd like to see a bunch of courses around $20 in manhattan with genuinely interesting material. You'll find that it is in fact a steal.


~ Jeff

On Tuesday, October 18, 2011 at 12:43 PM, Peter Bell wrote:

@Vik,

Wow. How much do you charge per hour for coding? When I code I make $125/hr. 8 hours of training with at least 8 hours of prep means I'd need to clear $2k to justify running a course (I don't do Ruby training - just as well if $400 is considered pricy!). Assuming space for a day is another $800 (I don't know rates in the city - that may be pretty optimistic), just to break even on time and costs I'd need to make $2800. So at $20 a head, that'd be 140 attendees (which wouldn't fit into a $800 room). 

I don't think $400 is unreasonable for a day of training. If it shaves 3-8 hours (depending on your hourly rate) off of the time it takes you to do things over the next couple of months it'd pay for itself - either for yourself as a contractor or for your boss as an employee.

Also, at $125/hr (or even $50/hr), the biggest cost by far of a day long course is the 8-10 hours I don't get to work/bill. 

Just to ask vik, would *you* be willing to rent a space in Manhattan and take a day off of work/contracting to run a course with a rate of $20/attendee? If so, let me know if you've got any good upcoming courses as if the material is worth a day of my time, the price would be a steal!

Best Wishes,
Peter


On Oct 18, 2011, at 12:16 PM, Vik Venkatraman wrote:

Sorry Joe -

I have to agree with Volkan. I would have been happy to come to your workshop and share it with a bunch of people if it was in the $5-$20 range. $400 seems a bit steep.

vik
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