Re: [NYC-rb] Re: [Workshop] The Art of Cucumber

From: Joseph W.
Sent on: Monday, October 31, 2011 8:53 AM
Tickets are now available for the Art of Cucumber workshop on the 2nd
of December:

http://theartofcu...­

Thanks,
-- 
Joseph Wilk
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On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 5:46 PM, Joseph Wilk <[address removed]> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Thanks for everyone's responses, I was not expecting to have caused
> such a lively discussion!
>
> Sorry for the delay in getting back to everyone. There are a couple of
> points I wanted to pick up on mentioned in the various threads:
>
> I should have made this clearer in the workshop description, this is
> not a workshop with 8 hours of just looking at the Cucumber tool.
> Cucumber is the easy part of the problem, the workshop provides an
> introduction to Cucumber so it is as accessible to as many people as
> possible. What I'm most interested in is digging around the edges of
> Cucumber, looking more broadly to what Gojko Adzic refers to as
> Specification by Example. And as mentioned the real challenge with
> Cucumber, is scaling it. I've been working with and on the Cucumber
> source for nearly 3 years and really this workshop is a chance to
> share ideas. Cucumber is easy to pickup but its a tool which provides
> you with very little guidance and provides an unfamiliar association
> linking methods and plain text through global regular expressions.
> From my experience lots of people are using Cucumber but very few
> people are using it well and that's what I want to address.
>
> Regarding the cost:
> I came to the figure of $400 from doing research on similar Ruby
> workshops in New York City, looking at my costs and comparing with
> similar workshops I have run. Since I'm from London, England my
> expenses for this workshop are a little higher due to travel costs but
> I hope the price is still reasonable and comparable with similar
> training courses. I've been using www.WantWorkshop.com­ to get an idea
> of if there is enough interest in the course to warrant me booking
> holiday time from my main day job and going ahead and flying across
> the ocean. I've been using Cucumber and working on the core Cucumber
> team for the last 3 years. I have also spoken about it at lots of
> conferences all over the world (You can see them all here:
> http://lanyrd.com...­). I hope that
> experience is valuable and will be of value to people who attend the
> workshop. That is your judgement call.
>
> If you don't think it is worth it then there are a wealth of
> presentations and resources on the web about Cucumber for free.
> * http://cukes.info...­
> * https://github.com...­
>
> Feel free to drop me an email if you want more resources or have any
> question, I'm always happy to help.
>
> And finally if you are interested in the workshop please let me know:
> http://www.wantwo...­
>
> I'll be sending around specific dates and ticket links soon.
>
> I hope that answers some of the questions,
> Thanks,
>
> --
> Joseph Wilk
> http://blog.josep...­
> http://www.songki...­
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>
> On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 4:18 PM, Peter Bell <[address removed]> wrote:
>> Hi Vik
>> (i) Thanks for the clarification - all makes sense
>> (ii) I'm not the OP. *I* am NOT teaching this course. Just don't want there
>> to be any confusion. I love cucumber, I use it regularly, but I'm not
>> qualified to teach a course on it. Hopefully the OP will jump back in and
>> remind people of his name and the URL for the course because unfortunately
>> I've lost the original emails.
>> Best Wishes,
>> Peter
>> On Oct 19, 2011, at 10:24 AM, Vik Venkatraman wrote:
>>
>> Hey guys -
>> I feel the need to clarify my initial response, as I fear it may have come
>> across more glib than intended.
>> I fully agree that time is valuable, especially the instructor of a course
>> like this -- and personally could probably use an overview in Cucumber. It's
>> great that Peter even offered to teach a course -- its just this kind of
>> thing that makes the RoR community so strong.
>> My feedback on price point was under the assumption that the goal was to get
>> as many people as possible to attend (and hence further the ties within the
>> community) rather than make the most money. I subscribe to the idea that the
>> good will, personal brand and network built through these kinds of things
>> can easily be worth more than $400 to the instructor.
>> But that's just me. Peter - you should of course charge exactly as much as
>> you think your class is worth. My suggestion is merely to include more
>> factors in the calculation than the ticket price.
>> Best,
>> vik
>> --
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>> Vik Venkatraman
>> Author - Inspired!
>> The man makes the clothes. Clothes never make the man.
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