Re: [NYC-rb] a RoR class for developers @ GA in January

From: Peter B.
Sent on: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 12:14 PM
Plus it's all about the quality of the instructors. I'd pay a lot more to learn from Jeff Casimir than from some random guy at a local community college. I've not actually seen dB's code, but just from talking with him about code, I'd pay quite a bit for him to be involved in training me if there was a language he knew that I wanted to learn. And the team at General Assembly are excellent. I'm teaching the javascript part of their front end web development class and am working up a certification class on "managing software development" for Q2 based on some classes I've taught there and a book I'm writing for Addison Wesley and they do a great job of the curriculum development.

Generally I learn languages from books and blogs, but I often pay to pair with people to get better and I sometimes take courses (there was a full day on node.js just before NodeConf this years from  Charlie and Paolo of Nodejitsu - again involved with GA and it was absolutely worth a few hundred bucks to jumpstart my node development).

I think it's great that the opportunity exists, and luckily we aren't all forced to pay for the classes, so they are available for those who want to take them and the rest of us aren't required to pay or attend.

Peter


On Dec 21, 2011, at 12:03 PM, dB. wrote:

Thanks guys, I appreciate both the sides of the argument.

I am a self-taught Rubyist myself. Here's an anecdote. I was talking to a job candidate yesterday who is doing quite well with RoR, got several solid projects, etc. I mentioned that we use little Rails and a lot more Rack + middleware today. He had very little idea about what Rack was. So maybe a class can help a student understand what Rails is in-depth rather than just to learn how to use Rails commands? Of course your mileage may vary and learning in a classroom is not better or worse than learning by yourself - it's different.

I'd only add that, if anything, I feel a huge sense of responsibility that every one of the students comes out of the class their money worth. This is a very different class from your usual tutorial, there's an instructor, a TA and two more people from GeneralAssemb.ly working on original material for a few months now.

cheers
dB.

PS: On money, if your employer isn't willing to pay for classes and conferences, but regularly takes the sales team to <insert your favorite steak house here>, time to find another employer - I will help you, seriously.

On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 3:37 PM, Eric Koslow <[address removed]> wrote:
Sorry, I have to way in here.  I do not think that the OP is a "jerk".  I personally learned RoR on my own using those excellent resources you mentioned, but I can see others that would gain a lot our of those classes.  Some people just like being taught by a person that they can ask questions and get a personalized learning experience from.

As for the fee, I don't think anyone is shelling out $2,800 of their own money (most likely).  These types of classes are easily expenseable by companies that want to have their engineers brought up to speed on the latest "hot" technologies.  If I was a Java/.Net programmer I would ask my boss to pay for these types of classes if I knew it could it would allow me to produce excellent code in the future for him.

Just my 2 cents.


On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 3:20 PM, Kfir Shay <[address removed]> wrote:
I don't want to put you down or sound like a jerk but any programmer
should be able to learn Rails without paying $2,800
Documentation is excellent, free online resources are plenty,
community is strong etc.

On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 11:46 AM, dB. <[address removed]> wrote:
> Forgive me for shameless advertising. I am teaching a RoR for Developers
> class @ GeneralAssemb.ly in January. It's almost full, but there're a few
> spots left.
>
> https://generalassemb.ly/ruby-on-rails-for-developers
>
> Pass it to your programmer friends that are stuck doing C#/Java/APL @ the
> Megacorp.
>
> It's a 6-week thing, twice a week for a couple of evening hours. We're going
> to assume you know how to program, do a quick intro to git, learn enough
> Ruby to be dangerous, build a rack application followed by a rails
> application from scratch. There will be lots of TDD/BDD, real world
> experiences and, hopefully, an open-source project that the class will
> collaborate on.
>
> Also, if you have any good ideas about topics that programmers learning Ruby
> / Rails would want to cover, I'd be very happy to hear some suggestions!
>
> cheers
> dB.
>
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