Re: [NYC-rb] Re: a RoR class for developers @ GA in January

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Sent on: Friday, December 23, 2011 10:54 AM
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On Dec 23, 2011, at 10:46 AM, Victor Olteanu wrote:

> Personally I found this debate quite interesting and educational. I
> really don't get why some people got upset over it. Why does every
> discussion have to be "politically correct"? Oh my God you have to be
> so nice and don't say that and that. If we are all PR a lot of what
> should be said goes unsaid.
> I agree there has to be some measure of civility in conversations, but
> I didn't think anybody was really nasty here - sure, sometimes
> emotions flare up but it's normal. We are human after all, not
> machines.
> 
> As for the importance of a Computer Science degree, my opinion is that
> on the kind of web development most of us make, it is not necessary. I
> found my CS degree to be a "good to have" in the sense that it gave me
> a good idea on the history and evolution of CS. Also, every once in a
> while one may come across the need to implement some more complex
> algorithms; or one may want to write, e.g. a parsing library. In these
> cases this can be learned as well through classes and online
> resources, but a CS degree could come in handy. But usually in web
> development a CS degree is not necessary and what's more important is
> practical programming experience.
> 
> My opinion on the Ruby course that was advertised: we live in a
> capitalistic society, and everybody has the right to sell at the price
> they see fit. There is no such thing as "fair price" - it's whatever
> the market decides. So, the person who gives the course has the right
> to price it, and the people who don't agree with its probable
> usefulness also have the right to give their opinion on it.
> 
> -Victor
> 
> On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 10:21 AM, Matthew Bergman
> <[address removed]> wrote:
>> And now I unsubscribe. This is a travesty to a real tech board.
>> 
>> Matthew
>> 
>> On Dec 22, 2011, at 6:15 PM, Marcin Cebula wrote:
>> 
>> I love how we have one of these every month or so. Going back to cucumber
>> lessons and stuff before that.
>> 
>> 
>> Btw, Dave should ask the creator of Rails what he thinks of his degree XD
>> 
>> DHH, my hero!!!
>> 
>> On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 3:33 PM, Kfir Shay <[address removed]> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Did I say that "only the RoR community is so awesome that only it
>>> recognize that a degree is just paper"?!
>>> I am sorry Dave but you are getting upset over something I didn't say,
>>> worse you are putting words in my mouth.
>>> 
>>> If my tone came out condescending than I take that back, the point I was
>>> trying to make was actually really simple and straightforward.
>>> imho the RoR community is focused on what you did / can do not where / if
>>> you went to school, perhaps in person you can explain to me why you find
>>> that so offensive.
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 3:09 PM, Dave Newton <[address removed]>
>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 3:01 PM, Kfir Shay <[address removed]> wrote:
>>>>>­ 
>>>>>­ Within the RoR community an engineering degree or formal CS education is
>>>>>­ not important, there is nothing condescending about that statement.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Of course there is. It's also amusing to have it couched behind "within
>>>> the RoR community", as if the Rails community is so awesome that only it
>>>> recognizes that a degree is just paper. It's two condescensions in one.
>>>> 
>>>> Whether or not it was directed to me isn't relevant: it's an open forum,
>>>> and everyone is free to respond.
>>>> 
>>>> In any case, I'm done--nyc.rb is pretty much ruined for me, before my
>>>> first in-person meetup, before I had a chance to contribute back.
>>>> 
>>>> Unfortunate.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
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