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Re: [NYC-rb] follow up on that RoR class for developers @ GA in January ...

From: N. Richard S.
Sent on: Friday, December 30, 2011 6:36 PM
I should note that when I said I charge a pretty penny for MY services, I was not referring to the class in question.

You folks would be AMAZED at what I was able to charge as a daily rate in 1995 for an overseas job.  The best part is that I could have charged MORE and the customer would STILL have thought it was a bargain.


On Fri, Dec 30, 2011 at 6:33 PM, N. Richard Solis <[address removed]> wrote:
David,

My comment was directed to Mr. Kfir Shay who seemed surprised that his comments found their way into a news story that went beyond the members of this list.

What I (personally) found distasteful was the venom and vigor towards which a few individuals expressed their disapproval at the price.  It's perfectly fine to disagree with the pricing strategy of some company/service/person, but it's quite another to brand them a charlatan or a rip-off artist.

If you feel that way, fine.  I charge a pretty penny for my services and, so far, people have been willing to pay it.  I think the fact that the class sold out shows that more than a few people felt like the $2800 was a fair price for a 6-week course with a small cadre of students.

Honestly, if $2800 for a class sounds like a lot of money to you, then you'd REALLY be surprised to hear about some of the one-week seminars offered by some notable Ivy League schools.  For example, Harvard Business School offers a one-week seminar via their executive education program on "Launching New Ventures" that runs $11,500.  That's a one week seminar.  I could go on and on about programs I've run across that make a $3K class seem like a bargain.

It might be the case that a dedicated individual could learn Ruby and RoR via dedicated study, internet searches, online documentation, and the like.  It might even be the best way for some people.  Where I was personally offended was when some felt like that should be the ONLY way.  That smacks of bullying and it's something I could do without.



On Fri, Dec 30, 2011 at 4:56 PM, David Kahn <[address removed]> wrote:
Well I dont see why anyone should be ashamed about any comments that have been made. Many in our society will pay a high price for a pill which promises something for little effort. Classes have their place but it is a very valid point (especially in a community such as the Ruby/Rails community) that someone who wants to program in Ruby and use Ruby on Rails as a web framework, if they dont have the ability and dedication to apply a book or two and learn to search google and the docs for resources really may be looking for a magic pill that $2800 promises to cure.

On Thu, Dec 29, 2011 at 7:04 PM, Francesca Krihely <[address removed]> wrote:
How did they get those quotes? Did they hack into our mailing list? 

Hope this doesn't get in the next article. 

#Rupert #Newsoftheworld

On Thu, Dec 29, 2011 at 9:55 PM, Victor Olteanu <[address removed]> wrote:
Not bad as a quick and easy way to become famous.
I bet this new thread also stands a good change to get its own article.

On Thu, Dec 29, 2011 at 3:57 PM, Alex Kahn <[address removed]> wrote:
Alex


On Thu, Dec 29, 2011 at 3:42 PM, Trevor Stow <[address removed]> wrote:
Remember that lengthy exchange on this list concerning the price of a Rails class?  Turns out someone thought the debate was news-worthy:

http://www.betabeat.com/2011/12/27/ruby-developers-offended-by-2800-ruby-class/

I find this surreal.





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