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  • Yen

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    July 25, 2013

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    A former member

    How do we measure, quantify, qualify, characterize, and otherwise analyze freedom? Or, is freedom simply the absence of constraint? Does any constraint imply a lack of freedom? Is freedom relative or absolute - is it all or nothing?

    July 24, 2013

    • Frank De C.

      Since as Schopenhauer states, 'we are free to act on our desires but not free to choose them' it stands to reason that freedom is contingent on our desires in addition to laws, social and familial expectations, our Freudian superegos and ego-ideals, informed by parents and society. Freedom does not exist exce[t as a function of the contingencies that inform outr lives and the laws and mores of the society in whcih we live.

      July 25, 2013

  • A former member
    A former member

    Another angle to consider: is there a distinction between the meaning of freedom for an individual and freedom for society as a whole?

    July 24, 2013

  • Frank De C.

    PS I still don't know what the topic is in so many words!!

    Frank

    July 22, 2013

  • Frank De C.

    Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
    Benjamin Franklin,

    July 22, 2013

  • A former member
    A former member

    How would we measure or quantify "freedom", such as what is our "net freedom" before 9/11 in contrast with today? Does FISA and surveillance and TSA affect "freedom" per se, or is annoyance irrelevant when evaluating "freedom"? I mean, do security guards reduce our "freedom"?

    Do air safety rules ("Fasten those seat belts!", "Stay seated!", "Turn off those devices!", "Put that book away!", "Put that tray table up!", "Put your seatback up!") reduce our "freedom" per se?

    "Keep to the right.", "Stop of Red", "Don't walk", "Yield!", "No Smoking!", "Eat more vegetables!"... Do rules and regulations impact "true freedom"?

    July 19, 2013

  • A former member
    A former member

    Hmmm... what exactly is or isn't a "useful concept"? Is "useful concept" a reference to abstract analysis or pragmatic utility?

    July 19, 2013

  • A former member
    A former member

    "Freedom is slavery. " ― George Orwell, 1984

    July 19, 2013

  • A former member
    A former member

    "Work will set you free" (Arbeit macht frei) - sign over the entrance to Auschwitz. How far did that kind of "freedom" get anybody?

    July 19, 2013

  • A former member
    A former member

    Lincoln's Emancipation Proclamation "freed" the slaves, but exactly how far did that get them?

    July 19, 2013

  • A former member
    A former member

    A real thought: Is there a "real" freedom, or do we simply have the "illusion" of freedom?

    The flip side: Do we always have immediate access to "freedom" and it is only artificial "cages" that that we ourselves create in our own minds that con(vince) us to believe that we do not have "freedom"?

    July 12, 2013

  • A former member
    A former member

    The second thought that popped into my head was from a 50-year old video I watched on YouTube last week: "Free at last! Free at last! Thank God Almighty, we are free at last!". From Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.'s "I Have a Dream" speech.

    July 12, 2013

  • A former member
    A former member

    The first thought to pop into my mind is Janis Joplin singing the words "Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose."

    July 12, 2013

  • A former member
    A former member

    The topic selected for discussion is: Is freedom a useful concept?

    July 12, 2013

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