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A former member
Posted May 9, 2007 8:03 PM
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What makes a belief justified?
David-Joe
Posted May 9, 2007 10:39 PM
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What makes a belief justified?

Absolutely nothing. Why?
Because belief is arbitrary and is therefore ruled by emotionalism, opposes absolutely reason-logic and is responsible for every evil committed in history.

Name the tyrrany, including tyranny of the mind, and you will find belief to be the energy.
A former member
Posted May 10, 2007 6:48 PM
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What makes a belief justified?

Absolutely nothing. Why?
Because belief is arbitrary and is therefore ruled by emotionalism, opposes absolutely reason-logic and is responsible for every evil committed in history.

Name the tyrrany, including tyranny of the mind, and you will find belief to be the energy.

I fail to see how or why something that is 'arbitrary' is therefore ruled by 'emotionalism'.

Are you familiar with the disputes concerning knowledge and justified true belief?
A former member
Posted May 10, 2007 7:35 PM
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I fail to see how or why something that is 'arbitrary' is therefore ruled by 'emotionalism'. (quote)


Because some people use their opinions to judge something instead of an established belief based on the facts.
A former member
Posted May 10, 2007 8:19 PM
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I say what makes a belief justified is if it brings forth justice.
David-Joe
Posted May 10, 2007 8:35 PM
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What makes a belief justified?

Absolutely nothing. Why?
Because belief is arbitrary and is therefore ruled by emotionalism, opposes absolutely reason-logic and is responsible for every evil committed in history.

Name the tyrrany, including tyranny of the mind, and you will find belief to be the energy.

I fail to see how or why something that is 'arbitrary' is therefore ruled by 'emotionalism'.

Are you familiar with the disputes concerning knowledge and justified true belief?

Anything that cannot be proven or logically inferred is ruled by emotionalism because it is believed because the person wants something to be so. This is emotion and therefore the act is emotionalism.

The term "true belief" is a non sequitur.
David-Joe
Posted May 10, 2007 8:37 PM
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I say what makes a belief justified is if it brings forth justice.

The ends never justify the means, ever.
A former member
Posted May 10, 2007 10:47 PM
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What makes a belief justified?

Absolutely nothing. Why?
Because belief is arbitrary and is therefore ruled by emotionalism, opposes absolutely reason-logic and is responsible for every evil committed in history.

Name the tyrrany, including tyranny of the mind, and you will find belief to be the energy.

I fail to see how or why something that is 'arbitrary' is therefore ruled by 'emotionalism'.

Are you familiar with the disputes concerning knowledge and justified true belief?

Anything that cannot be proven or logically inferred is ruled by emotionalism because it is believed because the person wants something to be so. This is emotion and therefore the act is emotionalism.

The term "true belief" is a non sequitur.

I think that it is important to distinguish between notions of 'belief'. It seems as if you are using 'belief' along the lines of 'faith' and as perhaps injecting desire into the external world as a means of 'mastering' this world (as in 'I believe in my country'). Typically, however, 'belief' in the discourses of epistemology is generally taken to mean to think that something is true. Belief, truth, justification, and knowledge are (or were) intricately connected here. In the early '60's, Gettier wrote a very short paper in which he constructed a thought experiment that demonstrated that knowledge, as it had been more or less held throughout the history of western thought, was not a matter of having a belief that is justified and that is true. Look into it; fascinating stuff.
A former member
Posted May 11, 2007 6:32 AM
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The ends never justify the means, ever.

Wouldn't that rule out things like killing in self-defense, medical amputation to save a patient's life, any sort of painful medical treatment on a child, etc.?
David-Joe
Posted May 11, 2007 7:02 PM
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The ends never justify the means, ever.

Wouldn't that rule out things like killing in self-defense, medical amputation to save a patient's life, any sort of painful medical treatment on a child, etc.?

No, because it rules out doing that which is unjust, irrational, sacrificial or harmful. The issues you mention are not.

Self-defense applies in terms of a free nation only. So Hussein's Iraq fighting against American forces was not self-defense or Nazi Germany fighting back against the Allies was also not self defense.
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