ZEITGEIST Addendum and Green Party?

I invite everyone to watch a free video on ZEITGEIST (Addendum). I'm really impressed with this documentary and fundamentally, its a profound film that has everyone of us questioning the economic structure we have in place today, designed over hundreds and hundreds of years ago.

Is a Monetary Economic Policy and System a legacy and outdated model for the human race? Or, does a Resource-based Economic Policy and System, a modern model, is better suited to the needs of our communities and environmental sustainability? This is a very profound perspective on the fundamental fabric of our lives today. It challenges our belief structures and social institutions that have been bestowed upon us, and conditioned us. One is monetary-centric, and the other is Community-centric. One is Slavery, and the other is Freedom!

Supporting a Resource-based Economic Policy and System is NOT Socialism, nor is it Communism. To advance the human race to a community-based structure and environmental sustainability would mean to eliminate Capitalism, the concept of money and interest, and in essence, individualism. This would ultimately lead to non support of libertarian values and beliefs. However, this would support the values and beliefs of the present day, modern progressives, also known as the Green Party. For one to align it's values, beliefs, and ideology discussed in ZEITGEIST ADDENDUM, one would almost have to identify and align themselves with the green values found in the Green Party. As we say, the Green Party is not the alternative, it is the imperative!

Zeitgeist Addendum (Film): http://video.google.c...
Green Party Cynthia Mckinney: http://www.votetruth0...

I watched this movie. I was excited for the first half, as it thoroughly explains on how the Fed and the world banksters got us into the mess that we are in today.

However, in my opinion, it really fell apart at the 2nd half. I felt like I was being sold something instead of trying to get some information out of the movie and making a decision for myself.

What really stuck in my mind is when one of the futurists that was being interviewed explained that in the system we have now, it is difficult to tell whether a doctor wants to take out your liver because there is an actual medical reason, or if it's only to make more money. If I were in the medical profession, I would be deeply insulted. So, if this doctor were practicing in a society where money was out of the equation, he would all-of-a-sudden become ethical?

Also, the concept of money is not the problem. Money is simply a convenient way to trade with someone, instead of determining how many chickens equal a cow, for example. It's the MANIPULATION of the value of money that has destroyed our nation, not the money itself.

To simply ignore the prosperous past of our great nation and write off the whole thing as a failure because of the last few years is ignorant. We were the most prosperous nation in the world, not because we had vast resources (Mexico has 3 times the resources America has), but because Americans were able to acquire, own, and use their property in any lawful and moral way that they chose. I'm especially referring to labor, your most precious resource of all. What do you call someone that doesn't own their own labor?

If people could labor and acquire REAL money, as in gold, silver, or any other real material of value, and be able to keep 100% of that money from our labor, then we would have no need to work 40, 60, 80 hours a week in order to just "keep up." People would have real freedom and prosperity.

Ownership is Freedom, and Freedom is Ownership.

Please, take a look at this video from Michael Badnarik, Libertarian candidate for President in 2004, and get a different perspective before being sold on Zeitgeist.

http://video.google.c...

I personally believe that differing views and perspectives should be welcomed and appreciated because it is the dynamics that allows us to challenge the status quo and create an environment where the human race does progress and perhaps, come to realization of new paradigms to consider.

With technology as the underlying core to enable human progress and increase resources and utility, a resource-based economic policy and system does completely invert our very own understanding of an economic system, which is why a lot of us are caught between 'wow' and 'interesting' vs. 'how?' and 'is this achievable?'

I do understand your point on labor, and the FED and IMF, etc. I was a Ron Paul supporter until about 6 months ago. However, money and power is what corrupts, and ultimately does not serve the human race, but one-self. Trading or exchanging labor and goods for another is great, and this area is one we should embrace - it is the nucleus of a Resource-based Economic System. As one example, if we all grow our own food in our garden, and we have shelter, what else is there that we need that requires money to put into the mix? Anything non supportive of our communities give rise to materialism, capitalism, greed, corruption, and crime, while family, community, and environmental values dissipate. I wouldn't say that one who appreciates the thoughts and perspectives on Zeitgeist as being 'sold' rather us appreciating the provocativeness that challenges our social beliefs, social structures, and social consciousness of our environmental and human sustainability. And this is where the liberals and Greens will differ.

Thanks for your comments.


Freedom Fighter
Go Cynthia Mckinney!

I invite everyone to watch a free video on ZEITGEIST (Addendum). I'm really impressed with this documentary and fundamentally, its a profound film that has everyone of us questioning the economic structure we have in place today, designed over hundreds and hundreds of years ago.

Is a Monetary Economic Policy and System a legacy and outdated model for the human race? Or, does a Resource-based Economic Policy and System, a modern model, is better suited to the needs of our communities and environmental sustainability? This is a very profound perspective on the fundamental fabric of our lives today. It challenges our belief structures and social institutions that have been bestowed upon us, and conditioned us. One is monetary-centric, and the other is Community-centric. One is Slavery, and the other is Freedom!

Supporting a Resource-based Economic Policy and System is NOT Socialism, nor is it Communism. To advance the human race to a community-based structure and environmental sustainability would mean to eliminate Capitalism, the concept of money and interest, and in essence, individualism. This would ultimately lead to non support of libertarian values and beliefs. However, this would support the values and beliefs of the present day, modern progressives, also known as the Green Party. For one to align it's values, beliefs, and ideology discussed in ZEITGEIST ADDENDUM, one would almost have to identify and align themselves with the green values found in the Green Party. As we say, the Green Party is not the alternative, it is the imperative!

Zeitgeist Addendum (Film): http://video.google.c...
Green Party Cynthia Mckinney: http://www.votetruth0...

I just want to agree wholeheartedly. And for the "second half i fell asleep guy" Jason.. He just does't get it and maybe he never will.. Just to help him out, the doctor would not just magically become ethical.. He would have incentive to be ethical. Plus that social engineer he called a "futurist" in his example isn't selling anything.. he wants away with sales, marketing, & stock brokers etc.. But maybe these are Jason's "Jesus". It make me wonder how someone can be smart enought to join a truth movement, then not see the logic in such a great and perfect movie as Zeitgeist Addendum.. Props to Freedom Fighter for sure tho.. You can recognize freedom.

I watched this movie. I was excited for the first half, as it thoroughly explains on how the Fed and the world banksters got us into the mess that we are in today.

However, in my opinion, it really fell apart at the 2nd half. I felt like I was being sold something instead of trying to get some information out of the movie and making a decision for myself.

What really stuck in my mind is when one of the futurists that was being interviewed explained that in the system we have now, it is difficult to tell whether a doctor wants to take out your liver because there is an actual medical reason, or if it's only to make more money. If I were in the medical profession, I would be deeply insulted. So, if this doctor were practicing in a society where money was out of the equation, he would all-of-a-sudden become ethical?

Also, the concept of money is not the problem. Money is simply a convenient way to trade with someone, instead of determining how many chickens equal a cow, for example. It's the MANIPULATION of the value of money that has destroyed our nation, not the money itself.

To simply ignore the prosperous past of our great nation and write off the whole thing as a failure because of the last few years is ignorant. We were the most prosperous nation in the world, not because we had vast resources (Mexico has 3 times the resources America has), but because Americans were able to acquire, own, and use their property in any lawful and moral way that they chose. I'm especially referring to labor, your most precious resource of all. What do you call someone that doesn't own their own labor?

If people could labor and acquire REAL money, as in gold, silver, or any other real material of value, and be able to keep 100% of that money from our labor, then we would have no need to work 40, 60, 80 hours a week in order to just "keep up." People would have real freedom and prosperity.

Ownership is Freedom, and Freedom is Ownership.

Please, take a look at this video from Michael Badnarik, Libertarian candidate for President in 2004, and get a different perspective before being sold on Zeitgeist.

http://video.google.c...

Dude, basically you are slave. You need to get a shirt that says "I'm Lovin' it!"

Zeitgeist Addendum is a gift genius. Wake the fuck up.

Just to help you out, the doctor would not just magically become ethical.. He would have incentive to be ethical. Plus that social engineer you called a "futurist" in your example isn't selling anything.. he wants away with sales, marketing, & stock brokers etc.. But maybe these are your "Jesus". It makes me wonder how someone can be smart enought to join a truth movement, then not see the logic in such a great and perfect movie as Zeitgeist Addendum.. Props to Freedom Fighter for sure tho.. He can recognize freedom.

[Also, the concept of money is not the problem. Money is simply a convenient way to trade with someone, instead of determining how many chickens equal a cow, for example. It's the MANIPULATION of the value of money that has destroyed our nation, not the money itself.]



Money is inherently corrupt. Bartering is also corrupt as mentioned in the movie. Sales is corrupt. Selfishness is corrupt.


Resources are not corrupt. Selflessness is not corrupt.


Widen your perspective more than what your big brother taught you.. Oh yeah its just the "mismanagement of money that's corrupt"... Money = Slavery only because money inherently lends itself to corruption. You expect to throw a fish into water and expect it to refuse to swim?? you will be waiting for a little while..

So then they make "laws" so we don't abuse or "mismanage" the system... I got news for you. Laws suck dick...


Basically you blew my mind to new bounds with your answer to Freedom Fighters praise of Zeitgeist Addendum.

Party on monetary guy.

I have experienced exactly the worst case scenario you outline below, in the hospital for a broken heel the doc comes in and advises me I have a damaged kidney, and that it would be in my best interest to remove it. He assumed I had Kaiser insurance, which I did not, when I informed him of my lack of coverage, and asked him to consult my long time friend and orthopedic surgeon to get a confirmation of the necessity of renal surgery, he disappeared, never to be seen again.
Ethics and greed are mutually exclusive qualities, and good proffessional ethics in the medical industry are common, there are also many greedy, myopic doctors out there, beware.
This is what I see as the real purpose of the Zeitgeist movie, to point out that there is an element of evil men in our civilization, blending in with the moral and ethical, and it is our adherence to political correctness, social convention, and fear of retaliation that prevents outing of this element who seek to elevate themselves at the expense of others, without accountability, because there are many barriers in place in the courts to make it difficult to prosecute wealthy men.
The principle is that we, the slave class must learn to put aside petty differences and stop supporting the IRS and the Federal Reserve Banking system. If the money stops flowing into their hands, the system will collapse, and there will be a chance for moral men to once again become leaders, rather than what we have put in places of power by voting for the lesser of two evils, out of apathy and ignorance.


"What really stuck in my mind is when one of the futurists that was being interviewed explained that in the system we have now, it is difficult to tell whether a doctor wants to take out your liver because there is an actual medical reason, or if it's only to make more money. If I were in the medical profession, I would be deeply insulted. So, if this doctor were practicing in a society where money was out of the equation, he would all-of-a-sudden become ethical? "

[Also, the concept of money is not the problem. Money is simply a convenient way to trade with someone, instead of determining how many chickens equal a cow, for example. It's the MANIPULATION of the value of money that has destroyed our nation, not the money itself.]



Money is inherently corrupt. Bartering is also corrupt as mentioned in the movie. Sales is corrupt. Selfishness is corrupt.


Resources are not corrupt. Selflessness is not corrupt.


Widen your perspective more than what your big brother taught you.. Oh yeah its just the "mismanagement of money that's corrupt"... Money = Slavery only because money inherently lends itself to corruption. You expect to throw a fish into water and expect it to refuse to swim?? you will be waiting for a little while..

So then they make "laws" so we don't abuse or "mismanage" the system... I got news for you. Laws suck dick...


Basically you blew my mind to new bounds with your answer to Freedom Fighters praise of Zeitgeist Addendum.

Party on monetary guy.

Attacking me, and telling me to "wake up" doesn't contribute anything. Prove me wrong with some facts, history, logic.

I hope you don't come to any of the meetups or street-actions, as I do not want to be associated with anyone who will just yell and insult people rather than try to wake them up and show them an alternative to the MSM. You will certainly take this movement back 10 steps for every step forward with an attitude like that.

Furthermore, from the few 9/11 Truth Street Actions I have been to in the So Cal area, I have met some moral, decent, and passionate people. I got the impression that ALL of them want to restore our Republic and return to our Constitutional roots that made this country so great, gold standard and all. So, I have news for you: You seem to be in the minority in this group, at least from the people I have talked to. And NONE of them talked down to anyone like you did with your posts above.

Also, I must add, that the great thing about freedom (at least my idea of freedom) is that you can do your own thing and I can do mine. If we do have such an opportunity to choose, I would hope that you could form or join your own Zeitgeist-like, resource-based, society, while I am able to live in a society where I am free to acquire as much capital as I please without government intervention and without violating the rights of others.

To force each other to live in one way or another would be......Tyranny, would it not?

Dont take is so personally. If capitalism is tyranny, then your idea to just accumulate as much as you want is not freedom for all, so the system is the problem and your freedom is not everyone's freedom.
You are free to do as you please as long as you do not infringe on others' rights to do the same. Private accumulation of capital under free market capitalism has enslaved more of the globe than formal slavery of the few thousands of years prior to 1860s.
That is tyranny, no?
Libertarians thrive on free markets (which got us into this mess and the depression of the 1930s, etc) and individualism. Individualism is for simple minded folks who prefer to think that their actions have no consequences and that we are not living in world full of other people. It is what allows the profit motive to win out over human considerations.

First I'm not taking anything personally. I'm just saying that people like the poster above don't get anything accomplished and don't wake up minds by insulting them. Are we all here to wake people up or just to preach to the choir?

Capitalism from dictionary.com: an economic system in which investment in and ownership of the means of production, distribution, and exchange of wealth is made and maintained chiefly by private individuals or corporations, esp. as contrasted to cooperatively or state-owned means of wealth.

Tyranny:
1. arbitrary or unrestrained exercise of power; despotic abuse of authority.
2. the government or rule of a tyrant or absolute ruler.
3. a state ruled by a tyrant or absolute ruler.
4. oppressive or unjustly severe government on the part of any ruler.
5. undue severity or harshness.
6. a tyrannical act or proceeding.

Please explain how "ownership by individuals or corporations" equals "unrestrained exercise of power."

You seem to take the leap that capitalism (using the definition above) and free markets and trade have flourished throughout the history of the world. That is incorrect. I only can think of one period in time where a people had true capitalism, and even that was under constant attack by the bankers until they finally reached their goal in the early 20th century.

And please, read your history on how the Great Depression was caused. Even Zeitgeist correctly pointed it out. Private bankers took over and issued worthless script and paper and confiscated the REAL money (gold and silver) in order to force people to use the paper, printed way too much worthless paper, then imploded the markets so they could take the real assets. In my view, that is not a free market in the wildest sense, and I'm sure someone in this group agrees. If not, then I'm in the wrong group. :)

But you are correct on one thing: Individualism is for simple-minded people. And I'm proud to be called a simple-minded person. Because, there is nothing complex about having a commodity-backed currency and allowing people to earn as much or as little as they please and letting them keep 100% of the fruits of their labor. I know, it doesn't entail any flying cars or cool looking buildings, but that other stuff will come in time anyways.