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(LTA6KX=the OCAndroid (Amazon presents their Next-Gen Appstore at their a2z mobile Research Center) discussion thread of All Additional Aspects, from-conception-to-legend, in that order http://1.JotHere.com/LTA6KX)

DestinyArchitect
DestinyArchitect
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Laguna Hills, CA
Post #: 322
(under construction; very incomplete)
(LT6THR THIS THREAD=(LTA6KX=(
((the OCAndroid (Amazon presents their Next-Gen Appstore at their a2z mobile Research Center) listing)+the event itself)'s
(LSZTHR=discussion thread of All Additional Aspects, from-conception-to-legend, in that order))
http://1.JotHere.com/...­)
)
(LTKJTZ=former event name=(Android presentation by Amazon at their Irvine A2Z (mobile) Research Center) 1)

(LT6POS THIS POST=(LTA6Z6=(the listing+the event itself)'s initial history 1 http://meetup.com/OCA...­). Happenings from-conception-onward:

  • (LTA70U: On "Sep 8, 2011 at 1:21 AM", William emailed me about this and I responded positively, which I posted shared on his group so all could benefit, indeed per (LHPXDE=Communicate foremost by appropriate posting).
  • (LTA7PR=Unfortunately I accidentally failed to one mildly sensitive point which he shared with me in his email, certainly nothing terrible, indeed so small even I barely noticed but, still I would have removed it just to be safe had I thought about it, though I missed in processing his email which was already some trouble as by emailing me instead of posting he was doing event planning privately (instead of where members can share & participate) which is not Meetup.com's styles, can easily be not the best idea for members, and is specifically against our rule (LHPXDE=Communicate foremost by appropriate posting). But I also knew that William was the admnistrator there so he could remove any small mistake I made and and that, as he being an administrator for many years, he would know that hardly anyone, indeed possibly no one but him, would see this post where I posted it, unless it was emailed out & promoted which I specifically wrote I didn't do.)
  • (LTA7VT=Well unfortunately William's response was a bit extreme, and to the negative:

    • (LTA86Y=William sent me a reply email to remove the sensitive portion. But the only thing I was expecting him to continue reply via post, not to email me, as my post explained; plus this event was far off and I had other immediate events to attend to. S I didn't notice his email for some time)
    • (LTA87C=Well not getting a prompt response, William could have just deleted the small portion himself, but instead, after only waiting but a few hours:)
    • (LTA89L=He deleted not just the sensitive portion, but while at , actually deleted his whole email to me, so making my reply kind of weird, where apparently what he shared was entirely private, against his words.)
    • (LTA89X=He posted back criticizing me for posting his email, as if completely ignoring the reasons I had told him right there, ahead of it, as to why I did it. Now while I would have appreciate his first replying to the reason he gave, I have no problem with his having a different view and speaking it. That would be fine. Except, I then couldn't reply to it, as:)
    • (LTA8DN=Also he prevented me from replying back to these criticisms he just posted of me there, because, worst of all, he also he cut off replies to the thread (also something I've never done, and likely never would), so I nor nobody could reply, indeed right after he criticized with me.
      (LTA8HY=and hasn't turned them back on even though I've requested him to do.))
    • (LX1PRV=Moreover, he also didn't know/think that Meetup would effectively notify almost no one of these (just the few people who happened to subscribe to the forum (off by default, and most don't), and then only 1 single email at midnight for ALL ones's meetup groups, which often gets lost in the volumes of specific-event emails Meetup sends out, and even if one did check it, the email wouldn't contain anything: the person would have to notice that particular topic and click on that link. So by logic & practice, virtually no one would have noticed the sensitive material. But William didn't know/react-to this (ironically even though he'd been a significant Head Meetup organizer for years) and didn't trust me (even though he knew I had been the same, and also had written a book on Meetup.)
    • (LX1PRV=Consequently he got the mis-impression that the event was announced, when it was just listed, and even though my post said I had not announced it, so he mis-felt that I had disrespected him an announced it before he was ready, then causing him (without warning) to actually announce it to his group AND OURS before I & even he was ready! Including
      (LX1Q3B=He finally joined our group (but apparently for the purpose of his immediate next step) and then immediately emailed out to all our group the announcement of this event, before we (& even seemingly he) were ready.
      (LX1Q6V=I have since installed 2 safe-guards to prevent this ever happening again:
      (LX1Q8G=I have set it so a new member requires approval before they can join our group.)
      (LX1Q9C=Even more effectively, in response to this in particular, I have set it so an email to our group mailing list requires approval before its sent out.)
      )))
    • (LTA91B=Also, at the time of this post,as a consequence, I am moving our listing discussion here were it will be safe from William did before (from closing replies, and wrongfully).)
    • (moderately complete, but to be continued)


DestinyArchitect
DestinyArchitect
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Laguna Hills, CA
Post #: 323
(under construction)
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DestinyArchitect
DestinyArchitect
Group Organizer
Laguna Hills, CA
Post #: 324
(under construction)
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DestinyArchitect
DestinyArchitect
Group Organizer
Laguna Hills, CA
Post #: 325
(under construction)
(LT6POS THIS POST=(IDTBA=a (LT9QCQ=additional post on a portion of the initial history of the subject of this thread, with this (post so portion) and (during it, what happened) listed in the order it occurred)))

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DestinyArchitect
DestinyArchitect
Group Organizer
Laguna Hills, CA
Post #: 336
(under construction)
(LT6POS THIS POST=(LTKK0G=a (LT9QCQ=additional post on a portion of the initial history of the subject of this thread, with this (post so portion) and (during it, what happened) listed in the order it occurred)))

  • (LTKK17=On 2011.10.19(Wed), A2Z Technical Recruiter Kristen 1st emailed me about this (first near POC from A2Z), email to be included. That day, I emailed her back thanking her and saying I had to deal with the meeting we were having today (Hack Night) so would email her back tomorrow.)
  • (LTKK4H=On 2011.10.20(Thu) I emailed & called her back. She passed me the details of the event and said that evening she would sign up to our group so she could review the listing.)
  • (LTKK5X=At 8pm, member Jim SMSed me saying our POC was instead Jannaya and gave me just her email.)
  • (LTKK7C=That day & night till 1am, I updated the listing with all the info Kristen had given me.)
  • (LTKK81=On 2011.10.21(Fri)morn, I did a few more minor updates to the listing.)
  • (LTKK9C=At 11am, Kristen sent me email asking "where's the proofs")
  • (LTKKA2=At ~3pm, I saw Kristen's email and said the proof/draft has been waiting for you. You saidn you would sign in.)
  • (LTKKBG=At ~6pm, I emailed our POC Jannya introducing OCAndroid & me and asking her to ASAP call me to make a voice contact find out A2Z's plans for appreciating/compensating/sponsoring the user groups promoting them here.)
  • (LTKKEA=2011.10.24(Mon)0509- Still no reply back from A2Z POC (Jennaya nor subordinate Kristen).
  • (LT8TBA=more to be filled in)

DestinyArchitect
DestinyArchitect
Group Organizer
Laguna Hills, CA
Post #: 338
(LT6POS THIS POST=(LTM68U=a (LT9QCQ=additional post on a portion of the initial history of the subject of this thread, with this (post so portion) and (during it, what happened) listed in the order it occurred))) 2011.10.24(Mon)

  • (LTM6AD=at pst0900~, a2z recruiter Jannaya calls me as I asked. We talk for about an hour as she give me details on the event. Phone log has details.)
  • (LTM6DQ=at pst1500~, I call Kristen. We talk about 40 min as I ask remaining Qs on the event. Phone log has details.)

DestinyArchitect
DestinyArchitect
Group Organizer
Laguna Hills, CA
Post #: 339
(under construction)
(LT6POS THIS POST=(LTM6H3=a (LT9QCQ=additional post on a portion of the initial history of the subject of this thread, with this (post so portion) and (during it, what happened) listed in the order it occurred))) 2011.10.25(Tue)

  • (LTM6IH=Factored out of the event listing:
    (LTEKHS=This sounded hot from the start (when William told me of it a month ago), so I made numerous attempts to get (from him and from a2z) an official point-of-contact for this at a2z, but I only now 2011.10.19/20 was I given one, so this is has been NOT YET OFFICIALLY EMAILED OUT TO OUR MEMBERS [now done by LTMMJT], so attendance counts here now are before this has been officially emailed out to our members.
    (LTKA29=See (LTFSBG=Planned todos before this is emailed out...) in the (LT0DIS=discussion thread ..) link below.)
    )

    (LTG5SN=Details for organizers:
    (LTFT6Z=On getting ready to officially email out this listing
    (LTFT7M=I do not think that we will have an accurate count of attendees until this our listing is emailed out.)
    (LTFTAF=With a great listing & an official announcement from OCAndroid, I think we could bolster attendance notably, especially with real Android developers & enthusiasts  (unlike most of those from OC-PHP) -which I would guess are the very people a2z most wants.)
    (LTFSCW=Note since this our listing has been up for ~1month with the gist of it there, and the date & time hasn't changed, we should be okay with not emailing out until as late as 3 days before, as Sunday, or maybe Monday day. As the key feel to bring quality people is official email from OCAndroid with the details properly worked out.)

    (LTFSBG=Planned todos before this is emailed out:
    (LTG5N4=(done)I am currently waiting for Kristen to review this listing.)
    (LTFSCE=-(done)get all event-description question-points answered by A2Z, as those noted in it)
    (LTFSHU=-add graphics for the presenters & event to really spice up the event listing)
    (LTFSZA=-add to here all the attendees of our group who have registered in the other listing(s) for this, to sync up & properly complete this list of our members who are going)
    (LTFSK9=-(done)especially since A2Z appears to be is entirely promoting themselves with this (their product, their workplace, & indirectly job positions), find out A2Z's plans to appreciate/compensate/sponsor us user groups (OCAndroid & OC-PHP), as per this thread.)
    (LTFSIU=-(they asked to skip)have A2Z review the final draft.))

  • (LTMC9X=Force RSVP YESJennaya­ + 1 guest (Kristen) as they will be there and need the event updates.)
  • (LTMFAU=go from 0 to 10 pics in listing -yeah!)
  • (LTMGMC=Turn privacy of this group site off temporarily so the listing can be shared with SoCalAndroid & OC-iOS)
  • (LTMGXL=Add RSVP YESes of http://www.meetup.com...­ :
    (LTMH4G=Douglas Kuhn )
    (LTMH8B=Val Catalasan )
    (LTMHAE=Boaz Brudner)
    (LTMHCX=Padmanaban­ was already going both)
    (LTMHKQ=srinivasa nori was already going both)
    (LTMHML=Trey Hyde )
    (LTMHOL=Josephine­)
    (LTMHSB=john brasher)
    not going
    (LTMHWG=William­ same on both)
    )
  • (LTMJ88=On http://www.meetup.com...­ do "Suggest Meetup with:
    (name=same as source="The next-gen of Amazon's Appstore" by&at (its developers=a2z's Mobile Services))
    (details=This is an exciting free big event, going from 7:00pm-9:00pm in Irvine, and being promoted by http://Meetup.com/OCA...­ and a few other groups. See http://1.JotHere.com/...­ for complete details, noting section (LTMAS7=How does this event tie in with iOS & other mobile-OSes/-platforms? ...), and then (RSVP here on this group) AND (RSVP THERE if you're a member would like to become one and then RSVP there.)

    Best if you RSVP both places; but you only RSVP here & RSVP YES, I should be able to get you the venue details via updating them here and sending out an event comment post. But here you won't the informative & helpful 8 private RSVPs Qs as I am not an Event Organizer this group (but would like to be) so can't put them here.

    Hope to see ya!)
    (date=same)
    (venue=same= http://www.meetup.com...­)
    (LTMKEW=It gives me http://www.meetup.com...­ aka (http://meetu.ps/5f4bd...­ which works) which it won't advertize until more RSVPs come or a leader releases it.)
    )
  • (LTMMB4=Send email to SoCalAndroid)
  • (LTMMBM=Replace
    (fr=LT2MOD last mod=2011.10.25(Tue)pst0540) (LT2STA version 0.96; now being updated; NOT YET OFFICIALLY EMAILED OUT TO OUR MEMBERS as explained in (LT0DIS=discussion thread ..), link below.)
    (to=(LT2MOD last mod=2011.10.25(Tue)pst0758) (LT2STA version 1.0))
  • (LTMMJT=Announce event with custom message
    The event listing is great & full of pictures --an exciting event. A record 26 members have already RSVPed YES *before* this was even officially emailed out. RSVP YES to get the venue. And hope to see ya there!
  • (LTMN6S=Post an event comment:

      DestinyArchitect

      -Event's official! Yeah! --jst emailed out this listing!
      (Why so late? Discussion Thread pt LTEKHS explains.)
      * And a BIG THANKS 2 our 26 mbrs who ALREADY RSVPed YES even b4 this, a record!
      * Pls answer the 8 private Qs,too (it really helps us get 2know ea other &its easy: most just YES/NO). Of the26, only 4 did,&I'm guessing cause not sure if this happening. But it's happening! So just change ur RSVP from YES-to-NO then NO-to-YES &Meetup will collect ur answers again,incl4 new&relevant#8.Thx
      Posted 7 seconds ago | Like | Delete
    )
)
DestinyArchitect
DestinyArchitect
Group Organizer
Laguna Hills, CA
Post #: 340
(under construction)
(LT6POS THIS POST=(LTM6H3=a (LT9QCQ=additional post on a portion of the initial history of the subject of this thread, with this (post so portion) and (during it, what happened) listed in the order it occurred))) 2011.10.26(Wed)

  • (LTORF9=on venue choices:

    • (LTORHI=http://www.meetup.com/OCAn­droid/venue/4083292/?eventId=32870382&­popup=true - original, "address & suite # TBA to RSVP YES")
    • (LTORG0=next http://www.meetup.com...­ ; has 1 other meetup, private; what?)
    • (LTORMG=http://www.meetup.com/oc-p­hp/venue/3415642/?eventId=32899972&p­opup=true -what OC-PHP uses and Shared but I can't find it
      (LTORQL local reference http://www.meetup.com...­
      (LTORR5=change
      (name
      (fr=a2z Research and Development Center)
      (to=a2z Research and Development Center, Irvine, Suite 1450))
      (address1
      (fr=40 Pacifica)
      (to=40 Pacifica, Suite 1450 (14th floor)))
      (zip
      (fr=)
      (to=92618)
      (per=http://a2z.com/all-locations/oran­ge-county))
      (url
      (fr=)
      (to=http://a2z.com/all-locations/orang­e-county))
      (phone
      (fr=)
      (to=1.949.680.1700)
      (per=http://a2z.com/all-locations/oran­ge-county))
      (keywords
      (fr=)
      (to=private meeting room for ~100 if not converted to cubicles)
      (per=seeing it))
      (maps.google has no entry says http://maps.google.co...­ )
      (verify that computed dirs are right))
      (LTOSIR=select this))


      (LTP0AH=about 10 min ago (pst1430~), deleted the 3 mentioned greets and posted

      DestinyArchitect
      *FOR THE EXACT LOCATION now simply see official venue on the Meetup listings -@noon I updated w/exact info fr going there. * I originally listed it here as "address & suite # TBA to RSVP YES" per a2z's idea 2insure all who come have RSVPed YES. But now that's more easily mostly-done by having the venue visible only2members(so posting it would then compromise that, so I took those posts off). But thks2the posters(Tod+William+Jim) as that then DID instantly email all who RSVPed YES! See ya there!
      Posted just now | Like | Delete



  • (LTOU1F= We have 27 pending members! I am speedily approving them (all that followed the instructions) so they can go to this!

    Name, (LTOU46=
    * Thx4 applying2 our grp OCAndroid (we got 27apps!);
    * &extra thx4following all instructions,so U'RE APPROVED!
    WELCOME2 http://Meetup.com/OCA...­ !
    * Insure u carefully read "Read more about us" as was just fully updated per our big growth &has stuff u need2know,incl 4today's big event.
    * Then RSVP4 our events!, incl our big1 today 7pm in Irvine (reqs RSVP) +the now 8 exciting Android tracks just added 2our calendar.
    WELCOME! Lkg fwd2mtg u soon!)


    it contains stuff u need to know
    * If u joined in response to an event, please RSVP to it, thxu!
    *
    and also take time to read "Read more about us"


    (as our huge event happening at 7pm today in Irvine

    *Congratulations, you
    )
    pause
  • (LTP8YQ= add missing
    (LTP8Z0= Shaohua http://www.meetup.com...­ )
    (LTP95C=Pranav Desai http://www.meetup.com...­ )
    )
)
DestinyArchitect
DestinyArchitect
Group Organizer
Laguna Hills, CA
Post #: 341
(under construction)
(LT6POS THIS POST=(LTRF7G=a (LT9QCQ=additional post on a portion of the initial history of the subject of this thread, with this (post so portion) and (during it, what happened) listed in the order it occurred))) 2011.10.26(Wed)

  • (LTRF88=Event went well; I slept 13 hours after, having not slept anything the night before getting ready for this and especially getting OCAndroid site ready for the new members & visitors it brought)
  • (LTRFAS=spotting at least 1 person on the OC-PHP which is not on here, add all missing: --Opps, the person I spotted http://www.meetup.com...­ is a pending member. Will add him after approval & ask for him to review here, too.)
  • To be continued.
)
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