Re: [EmiratesLoCo] What should we do with this meetup group

From: Zulfiqar Ali K.
Sent on: Tuesday, April 2, 2013 10:47 PM
Hi Neil,

I would like to put in my 2 cents as well. I have been very quiet and avoided any fight on this forum. Whenever I tried to say something, the response was aggressive and abusive. I never responded to any accusations in the past nor will I in the future. What I want to say is that after the council intervention, I thought both the groups will work together and progress but that did not happen. I handed over most of the responsibility within the group which was coming regularly for the meetings and hence there was hardly any communication from my side.

All of us with no exception are working and I understand it is very difficult to take out time for any extra curricular activity these days specially after the recession. Hence we have no right to force anyone to join the group and put in extra hours. The small group that we are right now still manages to  meet on and off even though we are not meeting on specified dates but we communicate ether via mailing list or the whatsapp group but we make sure we meet and have fun along with discussing ubuntu.

You have mentioned in your email there has been no reconciliation between the groups but I fail to understand, once the council agreed and there was an agreement between us as well, you never invited this group to come join us. I have no clue what the reason was but I did not see any effort. Asad wrote an email (if I am not wrong) to this group inviting you all but all in vain. In first few meetings ubutnu-loco group use to wait for anyone form this group to join us but none of you not even one person communicated nor showed any interest to join in. Which in itself shows lack of interest to reconcile. Today after my email only Ahmad joined the mailing list and thats all.

If the question is how does one bring about change ... you need to participate and voice your opinion and everyone would have listened.

I hope this email does not flair things again as it has been the case in the past but I once again ask you all to come join us and work alongside is you are true supporter of opensource. We are promoting opensouce but if we do not ourselves believe in community and ethics of open source we can never succeed.

Ubuntu is about showing humanity to one another: the word itself captures the spirit of being human.

I hope in near future I would see more participation form this group and we all work together.

Zulfiqar Ali Khan

On 02/04/13 9:29 PM, Neil Oosthuizen wrote:
Hi all,

I find it ironic that only last night I made my mind up to not forsake Ubuntu or the LoCo here in the UAE.  For the last couple of months (still actually) I have been to busy to give any attention to the LoCo and had for the most part made my piece with the state it is in.  But I do feel I can still contribute and thus I have decided to add value, if I can in any way shape and/or form.

Firstly, I do believe we don't need meetup.com and all of the resources required are available and already in place.  If someone feels a need to have it and maintain it (pay for it, maintain it) that is something that they are more than welcome to do.  I do feel however it is not needed.

As for there being two of everything... it saddens me that there doesn't seem to be reconciliation and joined effort in the UAE... but even more than that it saddens me that there doesn't seem to be anything going on the UAE currently that resembles an Ubuntu Local Community :(

So what this means is that there is work to do, and I challenge each and everyone reading this that feels they want to give back to free/libre  and open source software via the path of Ubuntu, to advocate, promote, translate, develop and otherwise improve Ubuntu to join in on shaping the Loco, to help in growing the loco... There will always be things we don't like, be it people or the things they do and say... that is part of community.  If we stop thinking of what if's and might be's we can focus on right here and right now and get something done.

I can't come to Dubai often but when I do I would love to get together with anyone interested to have a talk face to face.  That being said I am coming through on the 9th and most probably I will be coming back the 10th of this month so feel free to contact me and we can see what we can do ;) (mail me on [address removed] or on this or the other mailing list).


Warmest Regards
Neil


On 2 April[masked]:03, Ali Linx <[address removed]> wrote:
Why there are 'still' two mailing list? two groups? two team? is it that hard to be just one team or group? seriously, why things are moving SO SLOW here?

I see no point to be on two different group at two different time.
This is wrong.




On Tue, Apr 2, 2013 at 6:43 PM, Zulfiqar Ali Khan <[address removed]> wrote:
Yes we do exist. Join our mailing list and whatsapp group. We meet on first sunday of the month.

[address removed]

Regards

Zulfiqar Ali Khan


On 02/04/13 11:51 AM, Ahmad Juma wrote:
Those who took ownership of the group do they exist in uae?





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