North Texas Objectivist Society (NTOS) Message Board › The Real Meaning of THANKSGIVING Capitalism over Socialism
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This guy hit's the nail on the head. I do not agree with all he has to say yet he is right. When they used " Capitalism over Socialism "
They had so much to give thanks for!!!!!!! That is why the gov schools will not teach the REAL THANKSGIVING STORY!!! THANKSGIVING HAS NEVER BEEN ABOUT GOD. It has always been about the sucess that Capitalism brings to any that will use it. Not only is it a wonderful story, it is the story that we should always teach our kids about. WHY DID THEY HAVE SO MUCH? WAS NOT IT THE SAME GOD? WHAT REALLY CHANGED? IT WAS, Capitalism!!!!!
That is what made them be such a wonderful sucess. That is what gave the increese. Not god, not anything but Capitalism. It is a lesson that our nation needs to relearn. Sadly it has forgot.
The Real Meaning of
Capitalism over socialism
The Great Thanksgiving Hoax by Richard J. Marbury
Each year at this time school children all over America are taught the official Thanksgiving story, and newspapers, radio, TV, and magazines devote vast amounts of time and space to it. It is all very colorful and fascinating.
It is also very deceiving. This official story is nothing like what really happened. It is a fairy tale, a whitewashed and sanitized collection of half-truths which divert attention away from Thanksgiving's real meaning.
The official story has the pilgrims boarding the Mayflower, coming to America and establishing the Plymouth colony in the winter of 1620-21. This first winter is hard, and half the colonists die. But the survivors are hard working and tenacious, and they learn new farming techniques from the Indians. The harvest of 1621 is bountiful. The Pilgrims hold a celebration, and give thanks to God. They are grateful for the wonderful new abundant land He has given them.
The official story then has the Pilgrims living more or less happily ever after, each year repeating the first Thanksgiving. Other early colonies also have hard times at first, but they soon prosper and adopt the annual tradition of giving thanks for this prosperous new land called America.
The problem with this official story is that the harvest of 1621 was not bountiful, nor were the colonists hardworking or tenacious. 1621 was a famine year and many of the colonists were lazy thieves.
In his `History of Plymouth Plantation,' the governor of the colony, William Bradford, reported that the colonists went hungry for years, because they refused to work in the fields. They preferred instead to steal food. He says the colony was riddled with "corruption," and with "confusion and discontent." The crops were small because "much was stolen both by night and day, before it became scarce eatable."
In the harvest feasts of 1621 and 1622, "all had their hungry bellies filled," but only briefly. The prevailing condition during those years was not the abundance the official story claims, it was famine and death. The first "Thanksgiving" was not so much a celebration as it was the last meal of condemned men.
But in subsequent years something changes. The harvest of 1623 was different. Suddenly, "instead of famine now God gave them plenty," Bradford wrote, "and the face of things was changed, to the rejoicing of the hearts of many, for which they blessed God." Thereafter, he wrote, "any general want or famine hath not been amongst them since to this day." In fact, in 1624, so much food was produced that the colonists were able to begin exporting corn.
After the poor harvest of 1622, writes Bradford, "they began to think how they might raise as much corn as they could, and obtain a better crop." They began to question their form of economic organization.
This had required that "all profits & benefits that are got by trade, working, fishing, or any other means" were to be placed in the common stock of the colony, and that, "all such persons as are of this colony, are to have their meat, drink, apparel, and all provisions out of the common stock." A person was to put into the common stock all he could, and take out only what he needed.
This "from each according to his ability, to each according to his need" was an early form of socialism, and it is why the Pilgrims were starving. Bradford writes that "young men that are most able and fit for labor and service" complained about being forced to "spend their time and strength to work for other men's wives and children." Also, "the strong, or man of parts, had no more in division of victuals and clothes, than he that was weak." So the young and strong refused to work and the total amount of food produced was never adequate.
To rectify this situation, in 1623 Bradford abolished socialism. He gave each household a parcel of land and told them they could keep what they produced, or trade it away as they saw fit. In other words, he replaced socialism with a free market, and that was the end of famines.
Many early groups of colonists set up socialist states, all with the same terrible results. At Jamestown, established in 1607, out of every shipload of settlers that arrived, less than half would survive their first twelve months in America. Most of the work was being done by only one-fifth of the men, the other four-fifths choosing to be parasites. In the winter of 1609-10, called "The Starving Time," the population fell from five-hundred to sixty.
Then the Jamestown colony was converted to a free market, and the results were every bit as dramatic as those at Plymouth. In 1614, Colony Secretary Ralph Hamor wrote that after the switch there was "plenty of food, which every man by his own industry may easily and doth procure." He said that when the socialist system had prevailed, "we reaped not so much corn from the labors of thirty men as three men have done for themselves now."
Before these free markets were established, the colonists had nothing for which to be thankful. They were in the same situation as Ethiopians are today, and for the same reasons. But after free markets were established, the resulting abundance was so dramatic that the annual Thanksgiving celebrations became common throughout the colonies, and in 1863, Thanksgiving became a national holiday.
Thus the real reason for Thanksgiving, deleted from the official story, is: Socialism does not work; the one and only source of abundance is free markets, and we thank God we live in a country where we can have them !
Hmmm...this is quite interesting.
I have never viewed Thanksgiving as a religious holiday, but one that celebrate cooperation between pilgrims and native americans...interesting piece. I may have to visit the library and read more on this.
Thanks for the post!
Like Sherry, I appreciate the educational and historical nature of this article. Thanks for the contribution. I know you are planning to work this Saturday evening, but we wish you and Rachel could join us for our Objectivist Thanksgiving (a celebration of capitalism and achievement). We will miss you.
|A former member||
I am glad you guys loved the " REAL THANKSGIVING " post. It's my fav holiday. I always try to let everyone know the real reason for the season.
I will try to drop in for an hour. I have got all the prep work done for my dinner biz date, as far as I can tell. You know there is alway something else that comes up. I MUST BE READY WHEN IT DOES. We shall see if time will premit me to do so. Yet, I know I must be ready for this gentleman, it is very important that I be fully ready to solve his problems to the utmost of my ability. He is counting on me. I CAN'T LET HIM DOWN! Everything will slow down in Jan. as it always does in my biz. So I know time will be much better for me then. Thanks for the invite.
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