North Texas Objectivist Society (NTOS) Message Board › NPR ("National Public Radio") -- What is the morality of listening

NPR ("National Public Radio") -- What is the morality of listening to it or voluntarily supporting it?

Old T.
OldToad
Group Organizer
Dallas, TX
Post #: 128
NPR CAN NOT EXIST IN A FREE MARKET. Tax payer supported raido. NOT IN A FREE MARKET. I'LL BE GLAD TO SEE THEM CRYING IF THAT DAY EVER COMES.
Jamie

Hi Jamie,

You wrote the above incidental to a Thanksgiving discussion topic, so I thought I would pursue it under a separate heading.

Like you, I am opposed to government supported public radio. But I would also point out that it claims 50% of its budget comes in the form of voluntary donations directly from its listeners. It certainly has some lengthy fundraising drives. So I am not so sure it would disappear if government funding was cut off. It has many fans and supporters, who might voluntarily cough up the difference rather than let it go.

Apparently you don't like NPR, but I happen to like a lot of the in-depth news reporting and some of the other programming it offers. I don't find much else that is as substantively informative or as thought provoking, even if I disagree with some of the opinions expressed there. Do you know of any other news/talk programs in the DFW area that are competitive in the marketplace of ideas?

Also, as I am opposed to government supported radio, is it moral to listen to it? Is it moral to voluntarily support it with cash donations?

What do you think? What do others think?

-- Todd
A former member
Post #: 151
Todd,


Todd Said,

"You wrote the above incidental to a Thanksgiving discussion topic, so I thought I would pursue it under a separate heading."

I do not get why a new heading was needed. What better place to talk about GOV FUNDED ANYTHING THAN A THANSKGIVING TOPIC.
Thanksgiving was about ending socialism from the very start. I can think of no better place to talk about killing the tax $$$$ from going to NPR than a topic like Thanksgiving. Yet that is not the main point of this post. You can start a new post at anytime. YOU PAY THE BILL HERE. So why not?


OK I know you said.

" Like you, I am opposed to government supported public radio. But I would also point out that it claims 50% of its budget comes in the form of voluntary donations directly from its listeners. "

Todd. I am so glad we agree on NPR. It is good to know. I am not saying you are lying about the 50% I say that they are buddy to do not take this wrong ok. If the claim is ture, withch I do not belive at all. Yet if it is true, with that 50% would be gone tommorw. What a wonderful day that would be for the tax payers. It would hurt the fund raiseing some would you agree? I'd say it would not be long before most if not all of it was gone. With not as many to raise money they all would suffer. The tax $ keeps it artifically proped up. THE THANKSGIVING WAS THE PERFECT PLACE TO OPPOSE TAX FUNDED PROGRAMS LIKE NRP. IT IS A HOLIDAY THAT IS SUPPOSED TO GIVE THANKS TO CAPITALISM. I found it hard to belive that NPR could even be put in a post with the topic of Thanksgiving myself. Thanksgiving, what a wonderful freemarket holiday. NPR what a sorry Socialist entity. Thanksgiving is a day to celebrate the doing away with socialism & moving to a freemarket system. Getting rid of Tax money going to NPR would be a wonderful tribute to the day, & the freemarket.


Todd said,

"It has many fans and supporters, who might voluntarily cough up the difference rather than let it go."

Well lets find out if that is true. I know it must not have enough to pay it's own way, or they would not need tax money would they? I think the word " Might " is the most important word in that sentance.
Yet we may never find out if you are right about the " MIGHT " or not.
The only " MIGHT " they use now is force. Force tax payers to fund NPR. By " MIGHT " I mean the " MIGHT " of the gov to put you in jail if you will not pay your tax to help fund NPR. Sad to say that!

I know what the mroal thing to do is. I say we all call our congressmen to see if they will try to defund it one more time. ( AS THE G.O.P. TRIED IN IN 94 I THINK IT WAS.) I will do that 1st thing Monday. Lets honor our wonderful past. Freedom form the oppression of a the horrid system of socialism. The system that has led to more starvation & poverty than any system ever to exist in history. The system thst is now killing our once great nation. Lets do as the Pilgrams did & had the guts to do. By opposing socialism at every ginven oppopportunity. Lets all try our best to make this nation a free market system once more.

Todd said,

" Do you know of any other news/talk programs in the DFW area that are competitive in the marketplace of ideas? "

Yes there is, it is called AIR AMERICA KXEB 910 AM, The other liberal talk raido in D/FW. Yet atleast it's free market as far as I know. It and NPR are the lib stations. Neither one does very well in the ratings. Pull out the $ from NPR we will see how long it last. The same goes for KERA. It also needs to be fully defunded of tax money. Newt & the G.O.P. tried this in 1994. To bad the libs in the Senate stoped them. To bad, what a sad day for free markets. I will never forget they said the G.O.P. was trying to kill Big Bird. TO BAD THEY DID NOT GET TO KILL HIM.

Now the right wing talk is 820 AM WBAP. It may be right wing yet it is all free market, there is also 660 AM KSKY, also free market. KRLD
1080. Klif 570 AM, All are free market stations.


Jamie
Sherry
SherryTX
Plano, TX
Post #: 8
I rather enjoy NPR. I don't listen to it as much as I used, mostly because I only listen to the radio nowadays when in my car.
So, are you saying (please forgive me if I am jumping to conclusions here) that it isn't right to listen to NPR or send money into a local NPR station if we personally feel like we get something out of it?
Santiago V.
sanjavalen
Dallas, TX
Post #: 15
It seems simple enough. It is moral to listen to NPR - you're paying for it, after all, even if unwillingly. You might as well get as much value out of it as possible.

As to the other question, whether it would survive without public funds, well - if it did, it would change some of its programming to appeal to the widest audience, or die. Either way, we win. So I'm not seeing this as an important issue.

[TODD: Santiago, I have removed your final remark and photo. I think they are "over the top" (even in jest) if we are interested in building a local Objectivist society and meeting new people.]
A former member
Post #: 157
NPR should not be Tax funded that is what I am saying. I would never give them a dime if I could get away with it with out going to jail. I hate NPR!!!! NPR ( National Propganda Raido ) PBS ( Public Bolshevik Systems ) is just as bad.

What I do say is that is " Lets honor our wonderful past. Freedom form the oppression of a the horrid system of socialism. " I still say that. I also give money to NPR, but it is against my will.

"You might as well get as much value out of it as possible. "

What value????? It's almost to the left of PROVDA!!!!!!No I listen to free market raido. When I do listen to it. It's better, it is also freemarket. Why listen to so much crap if I am not forced to. Even the Christians have free market raido. EVEN IT'S BETTER THAN NPR IN MY BOOK. AT LEAST IT'S FREE MARKET. At least I am not forced to pay for their propaganda. I say we all protest the tax money going to this horred station. To bad The G.O.P. did not get there way back in 94, at least this part of the nation would now be all free market. THEY WAY IT SHOULD BE!!!!!

Is it moral for me to give money to Christian Raido?

That is the question. Ask youself the same thing Then you will know the answer to what you ask. Well I will say this I DO TRUST THE CHRISTIANS FAR MORE THAN THE GOV THAT BACKS NPR. It is not fair to put them all in the same boat. I am sorry to all christians, even you do not deserve to be compared to the gov. You do atleast live by the creed, " THOU SHALT NOT STEAL " For that creed you have my undying respect.



Jamie
A former member
Post #: 162
I'd like to say that I was wrong. Newt was not the 1st to try to defund NPR & PBS President Richard Nixon was.

President Richard Nixon demanded that “all funds for public broadcasting be cut” (9/23/71),


Just think of the hundreds of millions of dollars that would have been saved, if he could have done it when Nixon wanted to. That sadens me even more to know the the chance has been passed over two times, not one time. Thanks Nixon & Newt you guys tried to make us a freer nation.


Jamie
Sherry
SherryTX
Plano, TX
Post #: 11
"I am sorry to all christians, even you do not deserve to be compared to the gov. You do atleast live by the creed, " THOU SHALT NOT STEAL " For that creed you have my undying respect."

Well, I guess you and I know different Christians.
I don't think they are proportionaly honest any more than any other group.
I actually get a lot out of PBS Kids...some of the best kids shows on tv.

Guess I will just have to disagree with you on the content of NPR and PBS, as I think many of the programs themselves are of value. However, I wouldn't cry if funding was cut either.
A former member
Post #: 168
Sherry,



I do agree with your statement, " Well, I guess you and I know different Christians. I don't think they are proportionaly honest any more than any other group. "

Yet as far as the Christian Stations are not Taxing me to fund them against my will. ( IE PAY TAXES TO SUPPORT US OR GO TO JAIL )
That is what I ment by they creede the stations live by, " THOU SHALT NOT STEAL."

Unlike PBS or NPR that live by the creede, " THOU SHALT PAY TAXES SO WE CAN BE ON THE AIR, OR THOU SHALT GO TO JAIL. "

That is why free market staions are better. They live or die by the ratings. NOT BY THE FULL FORCE OF THE US GOVS ABILTY TO TAX YOU OR PUT YOU IN JAIL.

Jamie
A former member
Post #: 26
Hi All,

With respect to children's programming and it's quality with regards to being unbiased...unfortunately it is very biased...and I don't think it's in our favor either.

Many, if not most, shows directed at children, adolescents, teens, and even young adults have many messages, open and hidden, that subvert our young people. Unfortunately, most adults today grew up watching these shows and now, if they admitted that they were subversive, would have to reconsider their own previous viewing of such programs and what it has done to them.

I will provide one example. If, and I do say if, "they" really wanted to reduce accidents with children and firearms they would provide educational programming on safe firearms handling for young people. Firearms safety courses for children have prevented thousands of injuries and deaths that might have resulted from the mishandling of firearms by young people. Ideally, firearms training should be provided by the parent(s) in the home or a private setting. My experience with safety classes versus individual training is that in the group setting children learn much less. This is primarily based on what I call the "divided attention" that occurs in the classroom setting. With individual training the child's attention can be much more focused on the training and not so much on what the other children are doing around them. I was present at a class several years ago for a younger group and several of the children (boys and girls) boasted about their firearms knowledge and talents (one even told us he knew everything there was to know about firearms and that he had been "hunting for many years") when they are really only "showing off" for the class. This is the evil of classroom education in any subject. The brightest and most talented amongst us are usually tutored individually when they exhibit a very high degree of skill or knowledge in a specific area (such as an apprentice in a skilled trade). (brief)

Rob
Sherry
SherryTX
Plano, TX
Post #: 15
Jamie
ahhh...okay I totally missed your point...I thought you were talking about Christians in general...but you were really referring to how the Christian stations run themselves...I understand now, thanks for the clarification.
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