addressalign-toparrow-leftarrow-rightbackbellblockcalendarcameraccwchatcheckchevron-downchevron-leftchevron-rightchevron-small-downchevron-small-leftchevron-small-rightchevron-small-upchevron-upcircle-with-checkcircle-with-crosscircle-with-pluscrosseditemptyheartexportfacebookfolderfullheartglobegmailgoogleimageimagesinstagramlinklocation-pinmagnifying-glassmailminusmoremuplabelShape 3 + Rectangle 1outlookpersonplusprice-ribbonImported LayersImported LayersImported Layersshieldstartickettrashtriangle-downtriangle-uptwitteruseryahoo

North Texas Objectivist Society (NTOS) Message Board › NTOS: Are Objectivists Being Passive?

NTOS: Are Objectivists Being Passive?

Old T.
Group Organizer
Dallas, TX
In our country now drowning in calls for faith and socialism, glorifications of self-sacrifice and life-after-death, erosions of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, taxes for faith-based initiatives and socialist health care, and wars on poverty, drugs, and terror, what are we doing to promote reason and freedom in our lives?

What happened to: "Give me liberty or give me death?"

What can people who are interested in Ayn Rand's philosophy of reality and reason do to help integrate these ideas into our lives and help spread them?

Is it hopeless? Is there nothing to be done? I don't think so.

Locally, I think we can help build the North Texas Objectivist Society. The premises of our community are based on reality, reason, and rational self-interest.

The purpose of socializing with each other is to integrate these ideas in our own lives and to promote these ideas to those who may be interested in exploring them with us. By spending time together, bit-by-bit we challenge each other to think and live better. We should do this for ourselves and our families. We should lead by example.

Our social events are occasionally derided as being mere "parties." It is true that many of the social interactions are not deep discussions on the meaning life. But socializations with people interested in rationality can help spread rationality at all levels of our lives. And spending time with good people is a good part of life, too.

Would you rather live in a world without Objectivist parties? Would you rather live in a world without the other things that NTOS is growing to offer, such as a philosophy discussion group and Objectivist speakers?

You can. All you have to do is something else with your time. Be passive. Let others who are not interested in reality and reason build the world around you.

The idea that NTOS exists "out there" may be pleasing to you. But I am sure you do not expect others to build the kind of society you want to live in.

I call upon you to consider your priorities for your social time and to participate in NTOS when you can.

Please check out the expanding list of social and other opportunities that the North Texas Objectivist Society is offering at http://aynrand.meetup...­
A former member
Post #: 7
I was just complaining to my wife about society's irrationalities on the way home from her weekly doctor's visit. I hope to start attending the NTOS meetups again soon. Ksenia's due date is a mere 9 days away and we'll be able to attend again once things get settled down.

A former member
Post #: 43
If a party is an opportunity to spend time with people you genuinely value, or to meet people you may potentially value, what's wrong with that?

Nothing, as far as I can see.
Plano, TX
Post #: 549
There is the OPAR group if someone wants more of a "non-party" setting. I find it almost amusing when some derides it is as just a party. You cannot have an opportunity to really get to know someone if you feel like you MUST spend 100% of your time discussing philosophy. And why bother attending any of the events if you are not there to get to know at least a few people?

You cannot value anyone unless you know who they are.

It's summer time though - and if I remember correctly, last summer there was a bit of a waning in attendance. I don't think that is unusual, nor is it something to worry to much about. I group I have belonged too - be it a professional or even religious group - has had attendance down a bit in the summer time.
McKinney, TX
Post #: 2
Great post. I was truly inspired. smile

I've signed up for future meetings up till January including the Dr. Ridpath meetup. I think the symphony is a fantastic idea too. I might suggest some other symphonies earlier on this year.

I'm curious, has anyone from the NTOS run for a political position locally? I know we are only a small body and some live in different counties but politicians have to start somewhere. A group this size may be a good start.

I've been thinking about this for a while but I want to at least finish my degree before seriously attempting to try anything myself. Plus I'm not in the financial position to afford it (yet) and my job practically requires overtime effort.

If anyone else was to attempt to run in our group I imagine we could get a great group of support.
Dallas, TX
Post #: 3
Things are pretty bad; shouldn't we be on strike or something? =)
Plano, TX
Post #: 550
Things are pretty bad; shouldn't we be on strike or something? =)

Sure - you can do selective "strikes". IE - don't work for companies or people you don't like. That is one way.
Or live in a cave. Within reason. People do it all the time.
A former member
Post #: 39
yeah I don't get how calling what goes on at the ranch a party could be anything but a compliment. We live in a world full of people that don't make any sense and frustrate us with their thoughtlessness, irrationality, bigotry, etc... being able to relax with someone you can have a conversation with is a worthwhile experience. Sounds like somebody's being a party-pooper!

There was a guy who ran for some political position but he doesn't come around anymore. Besides I don't think politicians ever really accomplish anything. They're sort of caught between doing whatever gets them votes and whatever gets them money. When they start getting ideas of their own the voters and string-pullers find someone else.

I think the most productive thing we can do for society is educate ourselves and enrich our own lives. You know like, practice fiscal responsibility and get that big dream cave you've longing for.
Chris J.
Dallas, TX
Post #: 70
I'm curious, has anyone from the NTOS run for a political position locally?

In the last election cycle I ran for Texas House. I am also considering running again(not sure yet for which position). We have had a few political discussions on this forum and there seems to be a common theme: the ability to be intellectually/ philosophically honest and still do what is required to win an election. It seems that this is either very difficult or impossible.

I consider myself a Libertarian (as do many at NTOS) but the Libertarian Party is a contentious issue. While its ideals are closest to what an Objectivist believes in, it is hardly a viable party.

Another thing that I am personally doing to spread reason is writing a book. Although it is nowhere near completion, it is a proposal to bring reason back into government. The premise is that the only reasonable government is one which respects individual rights. I think the major problems in public policy today can be attributed to a pathological adherence to collectivism. While it has many forms, and goes by many names, 'collectivism' is the term (and idea) that has caused most of the problems with our world.

I am also thinking of recruiting at my new school, which I start at next week.

Other NTOS members who should be recognized (that I am aware of) are Tom for his website, which contains many writings, and of course Todd for sponsoring NTOS.
Old T.
Group Organizer
Dallas, TX
Post #: 582
I am glad to see all your positive responses!

In view of the responses so far, I think I should make a clarification regarding my original comment that "our social events are occasionally derided as being mere "parties.'"

I did not intend to give the impression that anyone who has made such a remark thinks there is anything wrong with our having social events.

Rather, such a remark is made in justification of why the person does not find it worth his time and effort to participate. After all, what is the value of a party?

The purpose of my original e-mail and post was to argue for the positive value that can be obtained from participating in NTOS social events. My response to such remarks is that I think "socializations with people interested in rationality can help spread rationality at all levels of our lives."

There are many people around you diligently working to build the kind of world we do not want to live in. They are building social organizations to reinforce and spread their ideas.

Wouldn't it be valuable for us to build an Objectivist society? In this regard, are Objectivists being passive?

Thank you for your support, and we hope you will visit us when you can!
Powered by mvnForum

People in this
Meetup are also in:

Sign up

Meetup members, Log in

By clicking "Sign up" or "Sign up using Facebook", you confirm that you accept our Terms of Service & Privacy Policy